Ok so I'm looking for some feedback from you guys. I've added a link to some of my New Kawsaki Roses to this post. I'd like to know what you think of the pink ones as well as the attempted foil one I made. The foil one is incredibly wrinkled and I was wondering what kind of tips you all could give me to make them less wrinkled and more finished. And I was wondering what you thought of the pink paper ones... Do you think they look ok? How could i improve them? Any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance guys.
http://s1107.photobucket.com/albums/h38 ... Fleming86/
Also I was wondering what I could use for a vase (made of paper of course) to hold the flowers. Right now I'm using this lantern:
http://www.papercrane.org/articles/abcTV/lantern.gif
It's the perfect height and seems to work out but it's just not elegant or shaped the way I want it to be. I tried making those 3d modular vases I've seen online but cannot for the life of me seem to make one. I have a bunch of the triangle pieces folded but there's so little info online on how to make them into a vase that I can't seem to figure it out. So if you guys could help with all of those issues I'd be so appreciative. 1) How do the paper angled roses look? 2) How can I make the foil rose look less wrinkled and more smooth and finished and 3) any ideas on a vase that will work or any tips of guides on how to make the 3d chinese modular vases. Keep in mind the basic vases I see online (which I've made) are wayyyy too small... The roses are about 2ft high so I need a substantial vase. Again, thanks for any help. You all seem very knowledgeable so I'm hoping you can help me out on this.
James
Help me with my New Kawasaki Roses
Forum rules
READ: The Origami Forum Rules & Regulations
READ: The Origami Forum Rules & Regulations
Help me with my New Kawasaki Roses
"These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God to-day. There is no time to them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence."
well, in all honesty, there is absolutely no reason to do this rose in tissue foil. the only rose i think where tissue-foil really offers anything is the brian chan one, and that only because that is probably the easiest way to get a duo effect. the metallic effects of the foil almost invariably detract from the soft, organic feel that the roses should have.
that said, it probably is possible to get a very fine effect with it, and it seems the key is really just patience. an example is nicolas gajardo's tree frog, which was done with tissue foil:
it seems he just really took his time (apparently, the folding process for this design is not that hard, but he dragged it out to four hours) so as to not introduce any wrinkles. similarly, one should probably be very careful when first making your tissue foil, so that your sheet has as few wrinkles as possible. you could also try asking nicolas what kind of tissue paper he used (brand)... it is really on closely examining the model that i can see the underlying foil (whereas usually it's immediately obvious).
however, a lot of nicolas' designs incorporate color changes, so i can see why he would use tissue foil. the kawasaki roses require none, and i honestly feel you'd be better off wet folding from some water color paper, or even using some colored copy paper that you can find in any notary store.
that said, it probably is possible to get a very fine effect with it, and it seems the key is really just patience. an example is nicolas gajardo's tree frog, which was done with tissue foil:
it seems he just really took his time (apparently, the folding process for this design is not that hard, but he dragged it out to four hours) so as to not introduce any wrinkles. similarly, one should probably be very careful when first making your tissue foil, so that your sheet has as few wrinkles as possible. you could also try asking nicolas what kind of tissue paper he used (brand)... it is really on closely examining the model that i can see the underlying foil (whereas usually it's immediately obvious).
however, a lot of nicolas' designs incorporate color changes, so i can see why he would use tissue foil. the kawasaki roses require none, and i honestly feel you'd be better off wet folding from some water color paper, or even using some colored copy paper that you can find in any notary store.
Thank you so much for the reply and the pic of the frog (its awesome!) However, I just wanted to add that the reason I asked about the foil folding was because of these roses:
http://dreamyourwonders.blogspot.com/20 ... uquet.html
Not to be argumentative but if those don't look better than most New Kawasaki Roses than I don't know what does... I want that affect and I know those were foil folded. But I think you're right... just lots and lots of practice... Weird how that's how most problems are solved. But still, if anyone has some tips they wanna share to maybe make the learning curve easier, that'd be great.
Finally, I'd really like some critique (good or bad) on the pics I posted of the non-foil New Kawasaki Roses I posted. What do you all think? Are the good as they are or should they be improved? Please give me some feedback, I'd really appreciate your guys input. Thanks a lot and thanks for the reply I already got.
James
PS... I'd love to try wet folding but have never actually done it. Where could I get useable watercolor paper? Just an arts and crafts store? I thin I'm good enough at making the Angled Rose that I could wet fold it if I knew what kind of paper to you use.
http://dreamyourwonders.blogspot.com/20 ... uquet.html
Not to be argumentative but if those don't look better than most New Kawasaki Roses than I don't know what does... I want that affect and I know those were foil folded. But I think you're right... just lots and lots of practice... Weird how that's how most problems are solved. But still, if anyone has some tips they wanna share to maybe make the learning curve easier, that'd be great.
Finally, I'd really like some critique (good or bad) on the pics I posted of the non-foil New Kawasaki Roses I posted. What do you all think? Are the good as they are or should they be improved? Please give me some feedback, I'd really appreciate your guys input. Thanks a lot and thanks for the reply I already got.
James
PS... I'd love to try wet folding but have never actually done it. Where could I get useable watercolor paper? Just an arts and crafts store? I thin I'm good enough at making the Angled Rose that I could wet fold it if I knew what kind of paper to you use.
"These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God to-day. There is no time to them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence."
i'm quite aware of adam's roses. part of the reason why they look so good is that some of them are kawasaki variations, i.e., he has made them more complex by adding more petals. secondly, if you go to the close-ups of those roses, they are exactly my complaints of tissue-foil--they make the roses look wholly artificial and harsh, with readily visible wrinkles and a "metal skeleton," despite adam's obvious skill as a folder. find pics of simpler roses wet-folded or from another medium, and they look much more soft and organic.
ETA: if you live in the US, you can get canson's water color paper from any arts & crafts stores, like michael's. tant is available in many vibrant colors as well, and can be purchased from kimscrane, paperjade, or fineartstore online. lastly, you could also try some colored copy paper from a local hallmark or copy store.
ETA: if you live in the US, you can get canson's water color paper from any arts & crafts stores, like michael's. tant is available in many vibrant colors as well, and can be purchased from kimscrane, paperjade, or fineartstore online. lastly, you could also try some colored copy paper from a local hallmark or copy store.
Benthor,
Thanks soo much for the info youve been a lot of help. I live right by a michaels so ill check out the watercolor paper. Thanks again
Thanks soo much for the info youve been a lot of help. I live right by a michaels so ill check out the watercolor paper. Thanks again
"These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God to-day. There is no time to them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence."
I can very highly recommend 150g/m² sheets of coloured copy paper for this model. Wet-folding such paper results in beautiful roses. Nota Bene, however, that wet-folding this model takes a bit of practice, but once you've folded a couple of these roses you'll love it.
Random trivia: I can wet-fold an angled kawasaki rose more quickly than fold a regular kawasaki rose and it looks far better as well.
Random trivia: I can wet-fold an angled kawasaki rose more quickly than fold a regular kawasaki rose and it looks far better as well.
Keep the tups comin guys thanks a lot. Id really like some feed back on the look of my roses too though. Also any vase ideas?
"These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God to-day. There is no time to them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence."
Your roses have certainly improved since you've stopped using tissue foil. What you should do, however, is to crease as softly as possible. In fact, apart from some unavoidable creases (like the for the twist fold), try not to make any creases at all, but bend the paper, so that you still have reference points, but the fibres of the paper don't break. That way you should not see any creases in the end result. I'd also suggest using smaller sheets of paper for the roses. Using 20x20 cm (or 8x8 inches) sheets of paper already produces rather large roses. Going beyond this size makes them look a bit unreal.
As for the vase, I'll have a look around to see if I can find something adequate.
As for the vase, I'll have a look around to see if I can find something adequate.
Ive used 8×8 before but personally think 10 1/2 square looks the best. Ill gove 8×8 anotber try though. And i actually only tried foil once... ive made dozens out of paper. Thanks on the crease tips... that makes sense i crease veryyy hard... usually both directions so ill work on that as well. I just bought some water color paper and am gonna try to wet fold.for the first time.... wish me luck haha. Also i checked out the diagram you made for your gorgeous variation and cant wait to get off work and give it a shot. Looks pretty complex but i love a good challenge. Thanks again guys your help is really appreciated. Love this forum 
"These roses under my window make no reference to former roses or to better ones; they are for what they are; they exist with God to-day. There is no time to them. There is simply the rose; it is perfect in every moment of its existence."