origami tanteidan convention book 16

[HankSimon]

Ditto GJ0KYZ and the Swastika. I'm usually laid back, but I was with a friend in McDonald's many years ago, and an Asian student was wearing a large swastika. The friend later told me that my expression hardened and my face turned very red. However, I calmly asked the student (he may have been Korean ?) what it was. He innocently answered with the oriental name, which I've forgotten, and said that it was a good luck piece - I think he was trying to translate.

Then, I asked, "That looks like a swastika?"
"Oh no, no. Swastika is evil ! Complete opposite. " And, he took his and indicated that the arms were opposite. And, I calmed down.

I've seen quite a few of these since my college days.... and now I usually assume that I'm Not looking at a symbol of hatred.

[andssl]

Thanks, Bethnor.

[InsomniacFolder]

Kunnihiko Kasahara, very succinctly, describes the difference between the shinto and european interpretations of the rotationally differentiated "hackenkreuz" in "Origami for the Connoisseur" - in the Maekawa geometric figures section.

[origami aviator]

Does anyone have a digital copy of the book? If so, I'd love to see because I'm not a Tanteidan member.

[Falcifer]

it is mildly careless on the part of the tanteidan

I don't think so. I'm sure that there are plenty of people involved in the making of the book, and I'm equally sure that at least one of them is aware of the connotations of the symbol outside of Japan.

I think it's good that they didn't exclude it outright. A few people here learnt something that they might not otherwise, so that's a good thing.

However, I can understand that the symbol (in any orientation) still has a large amount of stigma attached to it, but it has other meanings in other cultures, too. It would be nice (but perhaps asking too much) if everyone seeing it took the time to think about the fact that the book is Japanese, as well as origami itself, and the designer of the model, and realised that perhaps the symbol in this context does not mean what it might appear to mean at first glance.

Also, having seen one or two Japanese maps, I know that the same symbol is used to mark the location of temples.

Does anyone have a digital copy of the book? If so, I'd love to see because I'm not a Tanteidan member, but I have books 1-15 and I got those online.

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[bethnor]

I don't think so. I'm sure that there are plenty of people involved in the making of the book, and I'm equally sure that at least one of them is aware of the connotations of the symbol outside of Japan.

you misunderstand.

though i'm sure the publishers are fully aware of the difference, the general public at large is not likely to be. as i indicated in my post, there was controversy some years ago when some pokemon paraphernalia was released with a sauvistika sign. there was parental outrage, despite the fact that it is not the same as the swastika, and the product was withdrawn from the market. it would be an utter shame if the same fate were to befall any gallery origami house product, as they are already scarce as is, and i daresay more interesting than any pokemon.

i also might dare point out, again, the google translator incorrectly gives out the name swastika, which might cause trouble where otherwise there would be none. i don't think there will be, as the origami world is so small, but there it is, and it is a potential that could be avoided with the inclusion of any of the dozen different authors i'm sure contributed diagrams, hence my usage of the term "mild."

[Falcifer]

I don't want to go on about it, so I won't.

I will, however, say that the google translation is not incorrect; the Japanese character is the same as the symbol and does not represent a word itself. "Manji" is just the (Romanised) Japanese word for the symbol, the same way we use the word "swastika". Other translations of the character 卍 are just other words used for the symbol in different cultures; "gammadion", "fylfot".

[Pop pop]

is the Loggerhead sea turtle is it a diagram or a cp

[joshuaorigami]

It's a diagram.

[merman]

and it's worth the Convention book alone!

[Pop pop]

yes, thanks josh