Call for Submission of Diagrams and Crease Patterns

[Rdude]

Hmmm. Well, I didn't think there would ever be a more heated discussion than the copyright debate. At least that one didn't degrade into personal attacks!

I'm very interested to see where this project goes, and as soon as I design something, I'll be more than happy to submit something. For me, getting a free copy of the magazine is more than enough incentive, along with the chance to get my designs out there into the origami community.

Good looking website, but as Anna said, it could use a bit of tweaking for compatability, however these are minor issues that will likely be resolved with time. It might even be worthwhile emailing Sok, and letting him know the problems you guys are experiencing with the site, so he can take look at them. I am personally using firefox, and have experienced no problems with the site.

Cheers,

Rdude

[bethnor]

yeah. it's getting a little hardcore for the thread where someone insisted that they were a real life hymen.

[conundrumachinist]

I for one think they will not have a problem meeting their 72 models per year target. Firstly the Christmas books published here get 60 to 80 submissions per year despite the limited circulation.Secondly those who do not get their works published in tanteiden etc have another avenue to release their diagrams. And thirdly there are a lot of traditional models ripe for rediscovery. I am sure the publishers will have a library of traditional models to fall back on.

[origami_8]

But for the Christmas book almost every format is accepted including photo diagrams hand drawn scans and so on. For this publications they want high quality diagrams in very limited formats and there are only a bunch of people that work with professional diagramming software.

[conundrumachinist]

If you accept hand drawn diagrams and someone already has them, he is probably not going to want to redraw them especially for complex models.

Plus I suspect a lot of people submit hand drawn diagrams because they were not able to finish their computer drawn diagrams in time to meet the deadline.

In this case the majority models will be less complex, and being a bimonthly the deadlines for submission might be more fluid. So people might be more inclined to diagram them using software.

[joshuaorigami]

Plus I suspect a lot of people submit hand drawn diagrams because they were not able to finish their computer drawn diagrams in time to meet the deadline.

aren't computer diagrams much quicker than hand drawn diagrams though.

[conundrumachinist]

I'm not an advanced folder, and I was counting intermediate model designers. Going by convention books, I think that two to three dozen sounds about right. How many active designers do you think are out there (clarification on tone: I'm not being sarcastic)?

Tanteidan 16 had 47 models and I think only John Montroll and Hoang Tien Quyet submitted more than 1 model which means 45 designers. And these are fairly complex designs.

[conundrumachinist]

aren't computer diagrams much quicker than hand drawn diagrams though.

I guess it depends on your familiarity with the program. The learning curve on the program might put some people off.

[legionzilla]

@tsk: You feel hurt over my comment? I can't blame you, after all, my comment was rather degrading. However, this proves my point that your comment was equally, if not far more degrading than mine. My comment was plain critique as I, as well as many feel that the tracing paper you use is not high quality enough, and too thin for certain designs, thus the crumpledness. Your comment however, was just 'the worst ever'. Tell me in what way would that not cause grevious emotional hurt to Sok, who has devoted months to this large scale project. And yes, that 'worst ever' comment was definitely spam. Even the other pessimists in this thread have reasons (though rather innacurate and baseless) to back their arguments.

However, I'm glad that Jared has convinced you to change your stand.

@Noah: Then I suppose you detest License to Fold as well. Sometimes diagrams have to be redrawm, and if the quality of the diagrams improve, yet still keeps the wit of your style, it shouldn't make much of a difference. In fact, I would like to have someone redraw my diagrams, as they are real crap.

@Jared:

Anyhow the magazine looks like it will be very nice. I am quite excited to see it come to be, and a few vitriolic remarks (and the sheep that follow) won't change that. Buy it or don't, but don't call it a rip-off before you try it.

Exactly. The people here are really being sheep, and some of them are being really picky sheep. Even magazines like Tanteidan have their problems too. They are just pointing out every last problem with the magazine, as if they are bent on destroying it.

@Anna:

But for the Christmas book almost every format is accepted including photo diagrams hand drawn scans and so on. For this publications they want high quality diagrams in very limited formats and there are only a bunch of people that work with professional diagramming software.

Not saying anything, but the the joy of the Christmas Origami Book lies in its imformality. A few of the diagrams in there, especially mine are exceptionally hard to decipher. They may be abit picky, but this solely for the quality of the magazine, and for it to be worth its price, as your picky pricks have been complaining about.

@bluepaper: Yep, the website is quite well done. It is not exactly the most stunning flash site, but it is still satisfactory. I feel the pessimists here should not judge a person or project by its website. Look at Nicolas Terry. He is a major origami figure whom we trust and buy stuff from. His main site is not too good, having a rather poor use of 'div's, but we still trust him don't we?

@Rdude:

Hmmm. Well, I didn't think there would ever be a more heated discussion than the copyright debate. At least that one didn't degrade into personal attacks!

I know I used a couple of personal attacks, but I personally feel that mine were well-placed and just comes to show how painful even simple personal attacks can be. Now, imagine Sok, who has worked soooo hard, only to receive 20+ degrading comments. Some saying his website is one of the worst ever, others suspecting him a liar, others calling him a complete moneyface, and others saying 'this is the worst ever'. How would he feel?

Another point, those calling him a money-face should really be feeling ashamed. Even if he really was a money-face, he wouldn't have thought of such a dumb strategy to earn the money. Being a teacher would have been a better idea. Firstly, this project involves huge risk. He is facing competition from far more established magazines like Tanteidan. Also, origami is not well established, and few people would actually purchase the magazine. Secondly, even if he earns money, the earnings would be really small. As pointed out in another thread, origami writers seldom earn money.[/quote]

[newbpcpfolder]

there needs to be simple sense. I did not have enough time when i said this.try to ask the reason why i typed with less detail, not directly criticize you. anyway, i'm blocking you now. i can't take it anymore-you've gone too far.

[gailprentice]

Today the website looks very good on safari on my pc ! : )

I emailed about subscribing...there does not seem to be a way to subscribe yet.

I stand corrected...I didn't realize that I was not seeing the full screen on my pc...on my mac, I get larger screens which show each page entirely. On my pc I cannot see and/or scroll to see the full pages. Also, if you can see the full pages, you can turn off the sound at the bottom of one of the pages (home page ?). Also, the newsletter sign-up page indicates that subscribing is not available yet. I'm looking forward to subscribing! Intermediate models sound great & it will be fun to get the "paper included" option . I like good surprises and more paper is always good!

[legionzilla]

there needs to be simple sense. I did not have enough time when i folded this.try to ask the reason why i typed with less detail, not directly criticize you. anyway, i'm blocking you now. i can't take it anymore-you've gone too far.

I'm not saying you are not a good folder. In fact, like Joshua, you are talented in the sense that you are able to grasph concepts quickly and effectively. You just lack the medium to express yourself.

However, you still haven't apologised or admitted that your comment on Sok was extremely harsh, no matter how pressed for time you were.

[joshuaorigami]

well in that case i'll need to work harder...
also, i don't see what the big deal is. theres a few people out there, trying very hard to make a succesful magazine for us to enjoy. some of your comments are very harsh.

[newbpcpfolder]

OK...............I admit that I was too harsh on Sok, But now I'm appreciative

Sorry, Sok!
Anyway, I've blocked you, as I feel you were too hard on me. That hit me like a missile. You need to know, you should not insult an active designer who has just designed ANOTHER insect, and is yet to try it out, as it may discourage him from folding it, thinking it will turn out very crumpled. You need to admit that you were harsh on me.

[joshuaorigami]

seriously guys, just get back to what the topic is about.
Tom: just try the best you can, and you'll do good.