Drinking cup capacity?
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Drinking cup capacity?
How much liquid can the traditional drinking cup hold? For example how many milliliters can a fold of the model made from a 20 x 20 cm (8 x 8 in) hold? What's the math behind this?
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Re: Drinking cup capacity?
The math behind it is, you fold a cup, fill it with water, take a measuring cup and pour the water from the folded cup into a measuring cup. Then you look at the scale of the measuring cup and read how much water it contains.

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^ Lol
I'll work on the equation for the area of the cup (relative to the size of the initial square) when I get the chance and get back to you on that.
Unless you just want to use Anna's method.
I'll work on the equation for the area of the cup (relative to the size of the initial square) when I get the chance and get back to you on that.
Unless you just want to use Anna's method.
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HAHAHA... after six years here in the forum, I have gotten to know you a bit . When I saw that you two answered I was kinda expecting that kind of response from origami_8 and that other one from Baltorigamist.
Thank you for your offer Baltorigamist. I would like that very much .
Thank you for your offer Baltorigamist. I would like that very much .
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Interesting question. After googling, the 'Paper Bag Problem' seems to be the closest thing I can find.
wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_bag_problem
The second equation (on the wiki) gives the volume for an open rectangular envelope but a paper cup has a trapezoid shape when flat, so unfortunately not what we're looking for
The first 'external link' has an email conversation about the paper bag problem, so I might go get ideas from that and apply it to the paper cup
wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_bag_problem
The second equation (on the wiki) gives the volume for an open rectangular envelope but a paper cup has a trapezoid shape when flat, so unfortunately not what we're looking for
The first 'external link' has an email conversation about the paper bag problem, so I might go get ideas from that and apply it to the paper cup
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Whoa! That's great information .
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Origami Cup Volume by Scott Keita Okamura, on Flickr
I got a rough estimate of what the volume is. I held the folded cup into a cone shape and calculated the volume of the conical frustums. The equations at the bottom right corner gives the volumes. (Of course, all of this is on the assumption that the maximum volume is achieved when the folded cup is in a conical shape, which may not be the case)
To check my work, I used some measuring cups/spoons to measure about 65mL and it seemed to barely fit in a 15cm size paper cup so the calculations should be right, I hope.
For a 20cm side square, it'll hold between 143.212mL ~ 163.088 mL.
Taking the median, a rough estimate is: 153.15 mL
(It's not a very precise number, so maybe someone can come up with better calculations )
P.S. I spent half of my day trying to perfect the drawing of the 3D cup on Illustrator. lol >.<
I got a rough estimate of what the volume is. I held the folded cup into a cone shape and calculated the volume of the conical frustums. The equations at the bottom right corner gives the volumes. (Of course, all of this is on the assumption that the maximum volume is achieved when the folded cup is in a conical shape, which may not be the case)
To check my work, I used some measuring cups/spoons to measure about 65mL and it seemed to barely fit in a 15cm size paper cup so the calculations should be right, I hope.
For a 20cm side square, it'll hold between 143.212mL ~ 163.088 mL.
Taking the median, a rough estimate is: 153.15 mL
(It's not a very precise number, so maybe someone can come up with better calculations )
P.S. I spent half of my day trying to perfect the drawing of the 3D cup on Illustrator. lol >.<
my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shua1618/
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Oh my god! This is crazy awesome ShuaiJanaiDesu .
That half a day was worth it; the whole page looks amazing and very illustrative. So if I understood everything correctly, the equation could be a little more precise if we include the curved bottom since that must reduce the capacity compared to a flat bottom. Am I right?
Thank you so much ShuaiJanaiDesu for your help .
That half a day was worth it; the whole page looks amazing and very illustrative. So if I understood everything correctly, the equation could be a little more precise if we include the curved bottom since that must reduce the capacity compared to a flat bottom. Am I right?
Thank you so much ShuaiJanaiDesu for your help .
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A square with side length a centimeters gives a volume of 0.0196*a^3 (+/ 7.5%) milliliters.
Proof: I folded one from 10cm square, and on a scale scooped out 18g (+/ 0.5g) from a (plastic) cup of water. Same experiment with 18.4cm = 123129g.
The experimental error is dominated by the floppiness of the paper and the surface tension of the water in the cup. When I poured the water back in, the scale reset to zero so absorption of water by the paper is negligeable.
With my formula:
For 20 cm square I get 156.8mL (+/ 12mL)
For 15 cm square I get 66mL (+/ 5mL)
Proof: I folded one from 10cm square, and on a scale scooped out 18g (+/ 0.5g) from a (plastic) cup of water. Same experiment with 18.4cm = 123129g.
The experimental error is dominated by the floppiness of the paper and the surface tension of the water in the cup. When I poured the water back in, the scale reset to zero so absorption of water by the paper is negligeable.
With my formula:
For 20 cm square I get 156.8mL (+/ 12mL)
For 15 cm square I get 66mL (+/ 5mL)
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Thanks for the compliment! Yes, the bottom curved part of the cup was too difficult to figure out so I decided to just take the volume too large and volume too small which are easier to calculate.Gerardo wrote:Oh my god! This is crazy awesome ShuaiJanaiDesu .
That half a day was worth it; the whole page looks amazing and very illustrative. So if I understood everything correctly, the equation could be a little more precise if we include the curved bottom since that must reduce the capacity compared to a flat bottom. Am I right?
Thank you so much ShuaiJanaiDesu for your help .
As I've said before, even if we do calculate the exact volume of this cone shape, it might not be the true answer since there may be a different shape of the cup that can hold more water. (Although the answer should be close)
Also I'm glad to see malifold's experimental data fitting my calculations (Since I used a measuring cup with lines at 50mL and 75mL + a 5mL spoon to get 65mL which isn't as precise as malifold's experiment)
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You guys are awesome! Thank you so much malifold . This is great info. Baltorigamist, can you complement their work to gain a bit more accuracy?
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Yeah, I should have something done this afternoon.
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Origami Cup Volume (cont) by Scott Keita Okamura, on Flickr
Found a way to calculate the volume of this cup.
The way I did it was to divide the cone shape into pieces shown in the top section. So,
Cup = Cone  4*Big + 2*Small
To find the 'big' and 'small' shapes' volumes, I used the same formula as volume of a cone/pyramid:
V = (1/3)*(Area of base)*(height)
I was able to find the area of the base by doing Integration on the equation of the ellipse: x^2/a^2 + y^2/b^2 = 1. And to find a, b, and h, geometry(mostly trigonometry due to all the triangles) was used.
For a 20cm square: 155.463mL
(Finally done! I hadn't done math lately but got to do some interesting math, so Thanks Gerardo for the interesting question! )
Found a way to calculate the volume of this cup.
The way I did it was to divide the cone shape into pieces shown in the top section. So,
Cup = Cone  4*Big + 2*Small
To find the 'big' and 'small' shapes' volumes, I used the same formula as volume of a cone/pyramid:
V = (1/3)*(Area of base)*(height)
I was able to find the area of the base by doing Integration on the equation of the ellipse: x^2/a^2 + y^2/b^2 = 1. And to find a, b, and h, geometry(mostly trigonometry due to all the triangles) was used.
For a 20cm square: 155.463mL
(Finally done! I hadn't done math lately but got to do some interesting math, so Thanks Gerardo for the interesting question! )
my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shua1618/
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That's a way smart solution ShuaiJanaiDesu! I'm really glad you enjoyed coming up with it
Neorigami's anniversary is coming up (August 11th). Have you ever visited the blog? It would be cool if you post a blog article about your findings, including your two images. I think those origami/math lovers will like it a lot. You'd have to create an account, if you haven't already, in order to post it.
If you decide to make that blog article. Wait till its anniversary. Everybody is invited to share something on that day.
Thank you guys .
Neorigami's anniversary is coming up (August 11th). Have you ever visited the blog? It would be cool if you post a blog article about your findings, including your two images. I think those origami/math lovers will like it a lot. You'd have to create an account, if you haven't already, in order to post it.
If you decide to make that blog article. Wait till its anniversary. Everybody is invited to share something on that day.
Thank you guys .
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wow,it is an interesting questions,The amount of body that needs to be indicated. For example, a tall, narrow cup may hold less liquid than a short, wide cup. Therefore, when comparing the capacity of different cups, in addition to considering the marked value, it is also necessary to consider the impact of the actual shape and structure on the capacity.