My first origami dragon diagram

SilverRazor · Post by **SilverRazor** » March 11th, 2009, 7:28 pm

A quick response!
Thanks

Ondrej.Cibulka · Post by **Ondrej.Cibulka** » March 11th, 2009, 10:56 pm

Now it is great! I have no additional remarks.

Black-Shadow_Hawk · Post by **Black-Shadow_Hawk** » March 13th, 2009, 3:33 am

Is step two of text instructions referring to step 1? If #1, why not just say "mountain fold behind", as that is what the diagrams appear to be saying.

SilverRazor · Post by **SilverRazor** » March 13th, 2009, 8:57 pm

The text instructions along with the diagram in my post are an older version. I will soon make some finishing touches and post the new one along with new text instructions, properly aligned with the new diagram. Maybe I will add some text to the diagram itself, I didn't decide yet.

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » March 13th, 2009, 9:44 pm

SilverRazor wrote:Maybe I will add some text to the diagram itself, I didn't decide yet.

Yes. Do that. Robert Lang said that his biggest regret/biggest thing he learned from his first book, The Complete Book of Origami was that putting the verbal instructions separate from the diagrams was a BAD IDEA. It is extremely inconvenient and distracting to have to look away from the pictures and find the verbal instructions.

I would suggest to you the idea that you don't need verbal instructions, good diagrams show everything you need (except for a few things, like closed vs. open vs. hybrid sinks. Symbols just aren't enough). But since you are trying to make a diagram for beginners, verbal instructions are helpful.

Ondrej.Cibulka · Post by **Ondrej.Cibulka** » March 13th, 2009, 10:01 pm

I agree - good diagram needs some text very rarely but for beginner is important almost everything, for example so easy thing as "unfold". It is very helpful to write there "just unfold" or something similar.

SilverRazor · Post by **SilverRazor** » March 14th, 2009, 8:14 am

Yeah, that's what I was thinking about - short guides, not whole articles for each step ^_^

SilverRazor · Post by **SilverRazor** » March 15th, 2009, 7:21 am

This is the latest version. Any remarks? I will still post the full text instructions along with the diagram just in case.

Ondrej.Cibulka · Post by **Ondrej.Cibulka** » March 17th, 2009, 12:33 am

Actually, they are not pleats but crimps.

Post by **Daydreamer** » March 17th, 2009, 1:50 am

Well... there are different definitions for pleats and crimps, but the most common one is this:

Pleat: parallel creases
Crimp: angled creases

Using this definition pleat is correct

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » March 17th, 2009, 1:55 am

In origami, pleats are generally alternating ordinary mountain/valley folds, that go all the way through the flap. Crimps are formed from inside reverse folds.

I have never heard your definition. It is definitely not the most common.

Post by **Daydreamer** » March 17th, 2009, 2:33 am

Oh right, sorry about that, I always get those mixed up. Shouldn't post when I'm tired

The definition I posted is the first one I learnt, but not sure from where any more.

But if you go by the arrows drawn in the diagram they are pleats by this definition as well. And for a crimp the valley/mountain lines have to be exchanged. But then the finished pic 13 is wrong when using the valley/mountain as shown...

SilverRazor · Post by **SilverRazor** » March 17th, 2009, 4:57 am

Oops! I missed that one completely >_< Gonna fix this one, and finally post it in my blog. Thanks for telling me this, Daydreamer

SilverRazor · Post by **SilverRazor** » March 17th, 2009, 5:39 pm

I have posted the final version of the origami dragon diagram ^_^