Need help with getting this effect using kawasaki rose

Pixion · Post by **Pixion** » January 23rd, 2010, 6:01 pm

I tried one yesterday, and indeed, its a small but very elegant modification of the original Kawasaki rose.

The only thing that I 'take issue with', is the piece of rolled up paper put in the central opening at the end...

It feels a bit like cheating to me (no single square), but as it accounts for 75% of the final look and feel I see the inclination of putting it in there (I haven't...)

Currently I am trying to come up with a way to get more leaves on the base Kawasaki rose (the one in 'Origami Dreamworld, Animals and Flowers', p58) and found a way to double the number. Perhaps that could be a way to get a similar effect without the second piece of paper.

Thanks again!

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » January 24th, 2010, 12:55 am

Thanks Pixion!

Yes, a few people have told me that the center petals are made with a smaller kawasaki rose.

I will attempt to make one with a kawasaki rose soon

Feel free to share pictures of what you have made!

Pixion · Post by **Pixion** » January 24th, 2010, 5:15 pm

Right now I have some test folds as I am optimizing proportions but I don't want to put a picture up as they are un-photogenic (i.e. ugly paper with pen markings all over)!

Also I am playing with which collapsing method to use. Right now I use the simplest of them all (the Kawasaki 'rolled rose' closure, p58 in Origami Dreamworld, Flowers and Animals). But I also want to give the 'prefolded' Kawasaki method (the one in Origami for Connoisseurs) a try as this one give a nicer rounded bulb and some extra petals on the side.

As soon as I have a representable fold I will put it up!

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » January 25th, 2010, 1:22 am

THere are 2 ways of collapsing?

I look forward to your pics then. Can you perhaps take a photo of the two different types of collapsing?

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » January 25th, 2010, 8:25 pm

I'd suggest you to make the central leafs in this way:

this is the same as in the "the gift of gifts" rose. ; )

Pixion · Post by **Pixion** » January 25th, 2010, 11:10 pm

@ Fc1032

I am referring to the way of collapsing shown on p.58 in Origami Dreamworld, Flowers and Animals by Kawasaki. I believe it is the easiest way of collapsing and requires no prefolding grid etc.

I took some pics of a quick fold:

Final Kawasaki rose

Start of collapse (note this rose starts with a tesselation along the edges and not along the diagonal as your Kawasaki rose variant). Indicated are the collapsing pre-folds.

Collapsing step 2.

Collapsing step 3. Repeat step 2 and 3 for the remaining 3 edges.

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » January 26th, 2010, 1:06 am

@PauliusOrigami: Thanks for the tip, I'll try making one with that method =)

New pics coming up when they are done

@Pixion: Thanks for the pics! Oh i see... This method makes the rose "cleaner" because there are no grids on the petals.

^^" I didn't learn how to fold an origami rose from a book. I was first taught by my cousin, who did the grids. Habit never died off... I only fold along the sides if i want to get rid of the grid on the petals

I think i should get a copy, Just hope I can find a store in Sydney thats stocks them =( Good origami books are hard to find here

Pixion · Post by **Pixion** » January 26th, 2010, 3:12 am

Glad the pics were helpful. Yes, potentially the rose could be a bit cleaner. However, you don't get a nice rounded and closed bulb with this method as you get with the Kawasaki method using the grid.

Also, you 'only' get 4 bottom petals instead of 4 bottom petals and 4 'mid petals' as in the grid method. So its a tradeoff...

Don't they have Amazon in Australia?

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » January 26th, 2010, 9:34 am

No its just that i thought it would be more convenient if i could just buy one in a book store.

Guess i'll have to buy it online then

leung_wwy · Post by **leung_wwy** » January 27th, 2010, 11:15 am

FC - Some Japanese origami books can be purchase from Kinokuniya in the city at Galleries Victoria. I have seen the Kawasaki's books there and you can probably order them in as well.

Paperwise I totally agree - it's hard to get good paper in Sydney......I had to buy about 5 year's worth of supplies during my last Japan trip......

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » January 28th, 2010, 4:42 am

@leung_wwy: Thanks for the tip =) I've browsed that store a long time ago ^^" guess i should pay another visit someday!

As for paper, I've used copy paper most of the time. I'm just "used to" its characteristics. Tried crepe paper: too hard to fold, tried coloured onion paper (looks/feels kinda baking paper, because its translucent), but they are hard to find, and i always treasure it and hardly use it.

Then again, I havent really seen any professional folding paper before...

zwy6art · Post by **zwy6art** » January 28th, 2010, 5:30 am

Try this:
You'll recognize this. Nothing fancy, just threw down a grid and colored the crease lines.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/ ... 000173.jpg[/img]

Collapse it backwards with the square in the middle on the top.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/ ... 000174.jpg[/img]

Pyramid the middle square like so:
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/ ... 000175.jpg[/img]

I just used my fingers, but if you use needle nose pliers or tweezers you get a much better effect. Just twist the snot out of the middle the same direction you spiral collapsed it and it will suck in on itself a little.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v142/ ... 000176.jpg[/img]

Funny thing is, I can fold the new kawasaki and phutran rose blind folded but I can NEVER get the base to close properly and always end up using glue.

To get it to close up even more then do these triangle folds @7:20 here where the guy folds a mutant new kawasaki rose from cp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmH86VqjGRg
I have

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » January 29th, 2010, 12:37 am

@zwy6art

Thanks for the pics! It makes whole thing much easier to understand!!