Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

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lancealmekian wrote: Now this is what you call awesome.
Props for the effort. What paper did you use by the way? Is it Japanese rice paper? I imagine it should be reallyyyyyy thin. Oh and did you use a magnifying glass to fold this? I do that when I fold ultra-tiny models.
No magnifying glass; I'm a little nearsighted though. I will admit I cheated a couple times and used a toothpick :(

I actually don't know what kind of paper this is, somebody gave me a present wrapped in this (oddly, I've used the paper more than the present :lol: ) It's some sort of tissue paper, with a smooth, waxy texture.
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Post by lancealmekian »

That isn't cheating. I use tweezers for those hard to do maneuvers and I don't look at it as cheating (radial pleats, facial details etc).
Still, great fold.
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Well i was sick today, had nothing to do, so i decided to refold kamiya's ancient dragon. I finished it and i took over 130+ picures of folding it step by step. The paper was kinda small and got very thick; i used 35x35cm Tant paper, but i did it :P (its not near perfect or anything but its decent)

I was wondering if its legal to post/put them up on the internet as a PDF or something? i took the pictures in hope that it would help at least one person fold this model.
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Post by WhisperPuffin »

You used TANT!?! :o I love that paper but I'd have that it was wayyyy too thick.
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Ragnorax wrote:Well i was sick today, had nothing to do, so i decided to refold kamiya's ancient dragon. I finished it and i took over 130+ picures of folding it step by step. The paper was kinda small and got very thick; i used 35x35cm Tant paper, but i did it :P (its not near perfect or anything but its decent)

I was wondering if its legal to post/put them up on the internet as a PDF or something? i took the pictures in hope that it would help at least one person fold this model.
I don't think it is illegal to post the pics.
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Actually only Satoshi Kamiya can answer that question. Seeing that the pictures will probably allow you to fold the model without even having the diagrams I think that might be a problem...
So long and keep folding ^_^
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Yes the Tant paper was very thick, making it difficult, buts its the only paper i have right now :P i couldnt get the all the head details because the paper was too thick.

I guess ill just keep the pictures to myself for personal use, but if people have problems with a certain step i can post the pictures from that step to help, which was my reason for the pictures
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You can try contacting Satoshi Kamiya and ask him for permission. Maybe he agrees that you can post them, who knows?
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Hey i was wondering what happens to the middle durring steps 50-60? Do the other pleats fold over it or something else?
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@origami_8: to keep this thread on topic i sent you a PM asking about contacting SK

@SpecialOrigami: The middle becomes "stuck" to one side of pleats, it gets pleated in step 52. So the answer to your question is "no" the other pleats do not get folded over it.
Here are some pictures that may help illustrate:

Step 57 side view (i circled showing that the middle gets pleated)
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Picture of how the middle looks when u get to step 83 (see how the middle is "stuck" to the other layer when it gets pleated?)
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hi, i need help with the wings (step 184-196)
if possible pls with pictures.

and it seems that i cant do step 185, because the layer stuck with the lower layer.
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If you follow the diagrammed steps literally, then the open sink of #185 is pretty hard to do (almost impossible, to me), because of the way how the two layers are entangled.

However, the sink is only needed to get spread-open in #189. So you can pre-crease the folds for the sink in #185 as good / as far as possible (using tweezers may help), but don't actually do the open sink. Instead, in #189 just do a squash fold of the flap in question, beginning at the inner tip of the wing, slowly working your way down the flap ... until it looks like in #190.

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After my first model got halfway destroyed during fiddling with this step, I found there is a much, much easier way to do it:

Do step 185 not at step 185, but do it after step 47. :)

The two flaps in the wing are created in #42 (squash) + #43 (close layers). Proceed with 44/45/46 (you need to have done the long pleat of the inner layer in the model). Then, before going from 48 to 49 (turn around), you open the wing at the side again, do the open sink on the 2nd of the two inner flaps created in 42/43, spread the sink open.

This does not affect the later folding sequence in any way, it's just that the difficulty of 185/189 don't exist anymore.

Photos of the steps to do between 47 & 48:

1) side layer (wing) opened - two flaps on top of each other:
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2) bring top flap to the left, crease 2nd flap for sinking:
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3) open sink in progress
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4) spread the open sink
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5) Finished. Close all layers, then proceed with step 48.
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Repeat with the other wing, of course.

Just be careful that you don't accidentially do the sink on the wrong flap!
Reminder: of the two inner flaps, one is oriented towards the head part (with the grid of square folds), the other is oriented towards the tail part (without those squares). The sink has to be done on the flap that is nearer to the tail.
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where can i find the diagrams? ive been looking for days and cant find anything...a hyperlink or anything will be fine
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You can find the diagrams in the book "Works of Satoshi Kamiya"...
So long and keep folding ^_^
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Post by Ben385 »

You really took a lot of photos didn't you....
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