Any Pangolin

HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » October 2nd, 2010, 5:38 pm

But I can't find the links that I posted on September 6, such as:
http://www.ericjoisel.com/animals.html#4

- Hank Simon

andssl · Post by **andssl** » October 2nd, 2010, 10:43 pm

Hank, the site was completely updated.

HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » October 3rd, 2010, 5:07 pm

Understood... but I can't locate the old information .. on other Web pages on the site... Looks like that information was deleted ?

- Hank Simon

andssl · Post by **andssl** » October 3rd, 2010, 5:15 pm

Yes, I believe that the old content was deleted. Try origami french forum or contact Jamie Kelly (he has redesigned the site).

HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » October 4th, 2010, 10:17 pm

Thanks

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 11th, 2010, 8:32 pm

I just got some really good paper to make a brown pangolin: packing paper!! My dad ordered some plastic, and it had an abundance of paper, so I took some, cuz the pangolin doesn't get very thick, so it'd be good!!

orislater · Post by **orislater** » October 12th, 2010, 1:55 am

you can fold it in memory of Eric Joisel who passed away today or yesterday( im not quite sure)

Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 13th, 2010, 2:54 am

He did? That's so sad!! He was really good!! But, I'm sure he was suffering very much, so, as sad as it is that he passed, it must have been so relieving to him. I wish I would have taken more time and applied myself to perfect my design to show him. His passing is so very sad!!

garrasdecaiman · Post by **garrasdecaiman** » October 14th, 2010, 4:53 am

on the other hand you don't have to ask permission anymore!
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Yannick GARDIN · Post by **Yannick GARDIN** » October 14th, 2010, 7:07 am

By respect to the work and memory of Eric, who considered his models like his children and was always sad to see them bad folded, I think there shouldn't be diagrams of his unpublished models. Fold them if you want, publish the photos but stop there, please.
Please don't break the magic of Eric's models.

garrasdecaiman · Post by **garrasdecaiman** » October 14th, 2010, 6:39 pm

Was Mr. Joisel really saddened when he saw a missfolded cartoon rat, I would like to believe he wasn't, I would have thought he was happy that his models gave pleasure to so many folders.
I for one got started with wet folding with his beutiful cartoon rat, and although I´m not a huge fan of soft modeling, there is something impressive with simple models like his dwarves turned in to works of art, by painstaking modeling.
But if it really would have made him sad that beguinners would try and botch his models maybe we should just forget about his creations and remember him only by the photos of his original work.
But that would make me sad.
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Post by **origami_8** » October 14th, 2010, 6:55 pm

You have to know that Eric Joisel lived from his art. So he feared that if someone would see a badly folded model together with his name that it would depreciate his work. That's the reason he sometimes reacted a bit harsh.
It isn't easy to live from Origami alone, especially since Origami is often seen as child's play and not as art at all.

garrasdecaiman wrote:on the other hand you don't have to ask permission anymore!

That's not true the copyright still exists and goes over to his heirs.

bethnor · Post by **bethnor** » October 14th, 2010, 7:32 pm

Yannick GARDIN wrote:By respect to the work and memory of Eric, who considered his models like his children and was always sad to see them bad folded, I think there shouldn't be diagrams of his unpublished models. Fold them if you want, publish the photos but stop there, please.
Please don't break the magic of Eric's models.

i'm not sure i agree with that. if someone is capable of reverse engineering the models and is able to make diagrams (probably the number of people who can do so can be counted on one hand), and gets permission to do so, won't that help perpetuate his legacy?

garrasdecaiman · Post by **garrasdecaiman** » October 14th, 2010, 7:55 pm

Yes bethnor I'm sorry I actually ment that permission is not needed to engineer new model similar to the pangolin as the original poster intended to do, and that I understand is what he was trying to do. To design his own pangolin which would end up looking somewhat like a real pangolin which will look similar to mr joisels exellent pangolin, not that he would reverse engineer or copy or otherwise break copyright conventions.

I do not condone reverse engineering, pirated diagrams, photodiagrams and pictures of folded models are just on the end of my line.
Eaven written explanations are a bit blurry to my taste.
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Lephantome92 · Post by **Lephantome92** » October 14th, 2010, 9:03 pm

Yes, Mr. Joisel's pangolin inspired me to make my own. I never even knew people could do the whole thing with reverse engineering and whatnot. I honestly hope that no one got the wrong impression that I was just trying to see if I could reverse engineer his. I just fell in love with how interesting his pangolin was, and because I knew he never diagrammed anything (with those VERY few exceptions), so I wanted to make one that I could call my own. His not diagramming is actually helping me in becoming a better, more proficient origamist, because it was a challenge I made to myself to see if I can make an accurate pangolin. I know that it will never be as good as his, but I still have been inspired to try. Simple my designs may be, but personal challenges like this only help better me. Maybe I should get in touch with his family concerning the copyrights, because they would know the best of anybody, and depending on what they say, I'll do what they say concerning publishing diagrams.

P.S. He really made an entire living out of origami? That's quite impressive, if you ask me!