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Posted: September 14th, 2004, 10:43 pm
It's OK, I think I've got it figured out. Kevin Hines's description has all the right creases, but in a slightly illogical order. John has rearranged them so that the sequence flows much better, and has also left out a couple of steps that were unnecessary.

The sequence as John taught it is, I believe, this:

Posted: September 17th, 2004, 5:10 pm
I think the way I taught it was in pretty much the same order as Kevin's instructions; the only difference is that I kept the corners folded in after his step 7.

(But then the order you put the creases in doesn't really matter as long as you can find a workable sequence.)

Mark's diagram looks good and is probably a lot easier to follow than text instructions, though it leaves out the creases put in by Kevin's step 7, which make the rose easier to collapse.

John

Posted: September 17th, 2004, 8:57 pm
JMcK wrote: leaves out the creases put in by Kevin's step 7, which make the rose easier to collapse.
I left them out because you left them out!

I've just re-read Kevin's description and the differences are only minor, although they seemed major when I was trying to remember it. But what really gets me is the bit at the end where he says he can fold a rose in three and a half minutes! Bet he can't fold them like Mr McKeever, though.

### minimal crease rose

Posted: October 7th, 2004, 3:41 pm
i just tried kevin hines' text instructions and i have gone wrong somewhere. My paper looks wrong from the diagram makr is showing. i think i'm reading it wrong in steps 5,6,7 or something.

Help!!

Vignesh

Posted: October 7th, 2004, 8:23 pm
This is like a game of "spot the difference"...

Kevin's step 5 is crease 5 in my diagram, so there should be no problem there. If this step is confusing you, then you must have gone wrong somewhere beforehand.

Kevin's step 6 is my crease 9. To be honest, I can't remember when John put this crease in when he taught it, so I just placed it in the sequence where I thought it made most sense.

As previously noted, I have left out Kevin's step 7 altogether. You have to make these folds eventually, but there's no real need to pre-crease them - you can just as easily put the folds in after you have started doing the twisty thing. I'm almost certain that this is the way John taught it in Bristol, but in either case it's the way that seems easiest to me.

Posted: October 8th, 2004, 11:33 am
you're right. In step 5 I folded to the wrong "step 3" fold according to Hines.

However, i notice that with Hines' instructions, step 3's fold is supposed to be a 1/4 length. However, your step 2 is around 3/4, to meet the intersection of your folds 3,4 and 5.
Is it necessary for the line to meet that intersection? or has Hines just done a typo?

Vignesh (still following the folds, as we speak...)

Posted: October 8th, 2004, 11:51 am
scratch that. i just collapsed the rose and obviously step 3 needs to extend all the way to the intersection.

Thank-you all!

Let's see if I can finish this off...

Vignesh

Posted: October 15th, 2004, 1:14 pm
This might be some help:

Kevin Step Number___Mark Step Number
1____________________1
2____________________4
3____________________2
4____________________3
5____________________5
6____________________9
7____________________--
8____________________6
9____________________7
10___________________10
11___________________8
--____________________11

John

### Minimal Crease Rose

Posted: October 15th, 2004, 5:15 pm
well i've managed to fold the rose again now and the creases are burnt into my head. (ow, that hurts. i suggest you dont try that....)

the only thing now is i can't seem to get the right finish...

I remember the extra valley crease that raises the outer petals. (and gleelfully makes it easier to lock the bottom flaps)

omg!! i just remembered the tiny spread squash! your velvet picture helps

how do you manage to keep the centre nice and open?

Vignesh

### help!

Posted: November 6th, 2004, 6:47 pm
hi guys... i m new to origami!
i really need you help...
i m trying to do the kawasaki rose...
but i m not sure if i m heading on the right track.
can anyway teach me how to fold? i dont really understand the diagrams given. can any kind soul take pictures of every step?

thank you!
i understand there are many version of kawasaki.
which is the most prefered version? and does anyone have the diagram?

Posted: November 7th, 2004, 12:00 am
I have drawn an extra diagram for my origami lassies til the twist fold is done. the first steps to the twist-fold seem to be the hardest steps of this model. I prefer the diagrams out of "Origami for the Connoiseur", they were clear enough to teach me the folding process.

Christian

Posted: November 7th, 2004, 2:13 am
You could try http://www.danoftoasters.org/ . The version you have is a newer, more complex version. The one on the website mentioned above has directions close to the one in Origami for the Connoiseur, which is an older, easier version.

Posted: November 7th, 2004, 12:59 pm
I still like the first simple version most, because I can fold that one in five to ten minutes and it's looking great. the one with the diagonal starting creases takes one ice-age to complete and isn't even looking much better.

Christian

### which version is this?

Posted: November 12th, 2004, 9:14 am
hi guys... i managed to fold the rose from the url joe e white gave me...
anybody got any idea which version my avitar is? i like this version a lot... i cant find e diagram...
JMck, i like ur version of the rose... very pretty!

Posted: November 28th, 2004, 11:22 pm
Hi guys,

Came across this link today on the O-list. It is a diagrammatic step by step instruction on the Kevin Hines K-rose precrease:

Anool's Website

or directly at

PDF File

That should help!

saj