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I just learned about Carl Adolf Senff who created Horse and Rider during the early XIX century. I'd love to see a fold of the model! Have any of you seen it? Can you show it to me? Is is made with a square? Does it need cutting or glueing?

I'm just surprised to hear of a known origami creator from so long ago.

I'd never heard of this author or model. Gilad Aharoni's page mentions "Square 2 units" and that it's diagram is in AEP convention 2003 and Quadrato Magico Magazine 77.

Thanks Brimstone! Now if we could only see a picture of it ...

The name sounded familiar.

http://www.schoener-ausflug.de/fileadmi ... tkunst.pdf

I don't know how good your German is but the horses on this page were being displayed in a museum in Dresden. They are folded by Carl Adolf Senff. The title of the work is Ross und Reiter ( Horsemand and Horse). They are indeed folded from two square pieces of paper.

On second thought they look a lot like the horse and rider from The Art and Wonder of Origami. The image is also depicted on the cover so you can check it with google. The lance on this model is a separate piece so....The horse and rider are indeed made of 2 pieces of paper. The description in this book mentions that Kunihiko Kasahara, the author of the book, has seen the model in a German museum. The ones in the museum were some 100 years old.

Hope this helps

Thanks to you I found a way cool picture here: http://www.giladorigami.com/origami-dat ... raditional

Although I don't think it's cool that it has a different name and that it's considered traditional. It's old enough to be in the public domain but it's not traditional per se if we do know its creator.

BM-origami-design wrote:I don't know how good your German is but the horses on this page were being displayed in a museum in Dresden. They are folded by Carl Adolf Senff.

Those that mean Senff must have painted those models to look as they do in the picture? Can you infer that from what the document says?

This must be the oldest preserved origami folds I've heard of .

On a closer inspection between the models from both pictures, they seem to be two different models. What do you guys think?

I am in doubt.
Remembered the free book from the Origami Shop as well.
http://www.origami-shop.com/en/free-ori ... -2554.html

Just to make the comparison complete

Well, the Knight on Horse is at least a variation of Senff's model. Compare the front legs of the horse. In Horse and Rider they have a reverse fold but in the Knight on Horse it has a valley fold. Regarding their hind legs (they each just have one), in Horse and Rider it was pulled a little bit, but in the Knight on Horse it wasn't. And the head of the rider and the knight are quite different. The rider has a series of reverse folds but the knight has only two, and they seem to have different references.

What exactly does Kasahara's book say about the model and the German museum?

I thought it might be the horse and rider model Joan Sallas was researching about, but couldn't find any clue about it online. Some years ago I met Joan Sallas and we folded some models together. I completely forgot that this was one of them but as things happen, today they literally fell into my hands when I wanted to stow away something and they came tumbling down from where I wanted to place the box.
Well then, I took some photos for you. What I don't understand is what the blintzes are for. They don't seem to have any functionality except maybe giving the paper a little more stability. There is a cut in the horses back, where the "thorn" of the rider goes in.

Thanks origami_8! Where does those printed papers come from? They're the same as the ones in the German PDF file that talks about the piece in the museum .

Like I said, I met Joan Sallas a few years ago. When we folded the model together he must have provided the paper.

Oh, I now see that the PDF file is about Sallas' folds. Maybe he printed the paper then.

I also confirmed here that knight on horse is a variation of Senff's Horse and Rider: http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php ... las#p74174

Thank you for all your help guys .

No problem, I also liked the search for the model.
I like historical origami models!

I have been reading some more.
The book I referred to about the origami Army: On page 56-57 Jens-Helge Dahmen shows there are 7 rider variants and 4 variations on the horse which are seen in different books and museums. There are also references to the books and locations where you can find them. Sadly there is no pre printed paper with their armour.

I loved that! Thank you. Did you notice that none of the horses in that page has front legs like the one in Kasahara's book?