My first try with Tissue foil

[HankSimon]

Michael Lafosse's frog and Giang Dinh's models, et al. use simple folds that exploit nice paper, but the shaping is complex in a way that leverages the characteristics of the paper. In other words, some really nice models depend on the paper rather than the number or technical complexity of folds.....

[jewishdan18]

why on earth would you go to the trouble of making tissue foil, literally having to wait for the paper to dry overnight, exposing yourself to the noxious fumes of spray glue, for a simple or intermediate model? if you're going to go to that much trouble, the model itself should require that work.

Tissue foil isn't nearly thin enough for things like insects. I consider it usable only for upper intermediate models at best. Why do you care what paper he uses for his models? If he wants to learn to make tissue foil (or enjoys it, as many do), he doesn't need to make the most complex models the paper can handle.

Thanks for all your help guys
i ll try making it again today.

Awesome, let us know how it goes!

[bethnor]

Tissue foil isn't nearly thin enough for things like insects. I consider it usable only for upper intermediate models at best.

wrong, and you're giving away your age. it was probably really the first medium widely used that was thin enough for insects that would hold its shape. it's only really recently that mc/sizing has really gotten en vogue. i don't use tissue foil, actually i really disapprove of the stuff, but many folders have had great results with it making insects (see therealchris just for one, and i believe that victoria serova uses tissue foil for most of her insect designs, as does andrey ermakov--just see his mantis shrimp, which is plainly made with tissue foil, and is arguably the most "multi-pronged" model currently).

Why do you care what paper he uses for his models? If he wants to learn to make tissue foil (or enjoys it, as many do), he doesn't need to make the most complex models the paper can handle.

i don't in particular care. but why would you want to use tissue foil for, say, a john montroll model? why not just get any old piece of paper and get to folding? if they make tissue foil for the model, then mess up, are you going to recommend that they wait till another piece of tissue foil is ready before they try again? and if they mess up again, keep repeating that process? again, i personally don't give a whit, but it seems to me that if you're going to take the time, resources, and energy to make tissue foil, the model you make should adequately reflect that.

[jewishdan18]

Tissue foil isn't nearly thin enough for things like insects. I consider it usable only for upper intermediate models at best.

wrong, and you're giving away your age. it was probably really the first medium widely used that was thin enough for insects that would hold its shape. it's only really recently that mc/sizing has really gotten en vogue. i don't use tissue foil, actually i really disapprove of the stuff, but many folders have had great results with it making insects (see therealchris just for one, and i believe that victoria serova uses tissue foil for most of her insect designs, as does andrey ermakov--just see his mantis shrimp, which is plainly made with tissue foil, and is arguably the most "multi-pronged" model currently).

Why do you care what paper he uses for his models? If he wants to learn to make tissue foil (or enjoys it, as many do), he doesn't need to make the most complex models the paper can handle.

i don't in particular care. but why would you want to use tissue foil for, say, a john montroll model? why not just get any old piece of paper and get to folding? if they make tissue foil for the model, then mess up, are you going to recommend that they wait till another piece of tissue foil is ready before they try again? and if they mess up again, keep repeating that process? again, i personally don't give a whit, but it seems to me that if you're going to take the time, resources, and energy to make tissue foil, the model you make should adequately reflect that.

The OP asked for help in making tissue foil, so I am trying to give some help. I don't really care if he folds it into a Ryu Zin or he crumples it into a ball and throws it in the trash, I'm going to help him. He can discover for himself if the results merit the time to make tissue foil for simpler models. If he comes back and wants help making different paper, I'll be more than happy to help if I can. You seem to think that you know "best" and want to direct the OP in that direction, but I prefer to let them discover these things and make their own decisions. This has gotten horribly off topic. If the OP want recommendations on what paper to use, he'll ask for them.

I personally don't like tissue foil for insects, since the limbs tend to get thicker than the modern alternatives. I use the best resources available to me (regardless of what was best in the past), so I like to use thinner paper, and spend more time shaping. If someone thinks it is not worth that trade-off (or like the look of the foil, or whatever), they can use tissue foil for insects and still get great results. Like I said, I don't really care what they use. The purpose of this thread is not to discuss the suitability to tissue foil; it is to guide one through making it. If you want to discuss the various merits of different types of papers, or the history of paper types, there are other places to do so.

[Bubo]

Funnily I agree with both Bethnor and JewishDan. Bethnor was rightly pointing out what many of us already know - that the time and effort involved in making tissue foil, especially for intermediate, models isn't really worth it when there are many other methods and papers that many have shown are better for such designs.

That said I too went through a tissue foil "phase". Sometimes the best way to learn is not through advice but through experience. But if the OP does want some advice then the best advice is that that I read in one of Lang's books: "experiment with different papers". It's a bit costly at first but now I use lokta, unryushi, tant, elephant hide, VOG paper, Origamido and o-gami, selecting/guessing what would be best for any particular model. I don't use tissue foil anymore.

[chesscuber98]

People you could stop arguing!
I tried tissue foil cause it is the only thing which i can actually make.
I cant access all the amazing cool papers cause i cant do online shopping
my second try was better than the first but the paper seemed weak.
I tried this with kami which is pretty wrong
Now i think i should try it with handmade kite paper,the closest i can get to tissue paperin my local craft store.
Any suggestions are welcome!!

[jewishdan18]

People you could stop arguing!
I tried tissue foil cause it is the only thing which i can actually make.
I cant access all the amazing cool papers cause i cant do online shopping
my second try was better than the first but the paper seemed weak.
I tried this with kami which is pretty wrong
Now i think i should try it with handmade kite paper,the closest i can get to tissue paperin my local craft store.
Any suggestions are welcome!!

What sort of paper is kite paper? Can you find a description online somewhere? You don't have any of the big name craft stores near you? Or a dollar store? They often have tissue paper. How did the kami go wrong?

[topsu]

People you could stop arguing!

This is an internet forum, a place where an argument can raise out of any topic. We've gone off topic, yes, but maybe we've also learned something

[fncll]

What sort of paper is kite paper? Can you find a description online somewhere? You don't have any of the big name craft stores near you? Or a dollar store? They often have tissue paper. How did the kami go wrong?

You might also try anyplace in a store where they sell gift wrapping paper and the like... they usually have tissue paper too. I'm not meaning to be patronizing, but do you know what it looks like in the packaging? Because it could be easily overlooked amongst the rest of the stuff there or in a craft store.

[chesscuber98]

Where i come from stores dont have tissue paper
Kite paper is super thin , i think it is used to make kites
Kami was horrible
it refused to stick and also tore a litle while removing the air bubbles
I ll upload a photo of kite paper once i buy it

[topsu]

Where i come from stores dont have tissue paper
Kite paper is super thin , i think it is used to make kites
Kami was horrible
it refused to stick and also tore a litle while removing the air bubbles
I ll upload a photo of kite paper once i buy it

Are you sure? When I heard about tissue paper I thought it was something very special. In fact you can find it in most craft-oriented stores anywhere. Where do you live anyway?

[chesscuber98]

India

[phillipcurl]

i have a tutorial on this posted somewhere on the forum.
read that, maybe it will help.

[chesscuber98]

I tried again today with a thin handmade kite type paper.
(i know long time)
the result looks good
what is the importance of air bubbles.
What do they do?
and what happens if you dont remove them??
i removed most of them but some just keep comming...
any suggestions?

[phillipcurl]

they add character to the model when its finished, just ignore them.