Satoshi Kamiya's Bahamut

swollix · Post by **swollix** » February 24th, 2004, 2:26 am

For those of you who have folded it,what size paper do you recommend?
I want my to come out very neat like this one-in my opinion perfectly folded:

Joe the white · Post by **Joe the white** » February 24th, 2004, 2:46 am

I would suggest large paper,like 2ft or so. Kamiya used tissue foil, but now uses paper from Michael Lafosse's Origamido studio http://www.origamido.com
I believe that particular bahamut was made by Kamiya himself,so don't expect to make it that well,especially the first time.
I used tissue foil the first time(also the first time making tissue foil), and it looked horrible

,but I made it at least

. The second (and last

) time I made it, I used large 2ft foil backed wrapping paper that is used in clothing stores around christmas.If I fold it again(probably inevitable) I might use 3 ft paper.
Hope that helps.

swollix · Post by **swollix** » February 24th, 2004, 2:33 pm

That's one thing I hate about the super complex models I like,using small paper isn't as good.It takes me longer to fold from a large paper.I just ordered 10" foil paper too.

swollix · Post by **swollix** » February 24th, 2004, 3:03 pm

Would this make good origami paper:

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gilad_zn · Post by **gilad_zn** » February 24th, 2004, 5:48 pm

The first time I folded it was when I was visiting Chicago. I found a small shop that solf special paper there, and I bought a sheet about 50x70cm that was quite thick. For some unkown reason I folded the Bahamut anyway, knowing it was too thick, and indeed it came out horrible.

The next time I folded it from 45cm tissue foil, and the results can be seen here:
http://photos.yahoo.com/giladzn

And the next time I used 40cm tissue foil, the ugly results can be seen on my page.

If you want to really get a good result, I'd suggest at least 50cm of tissue-foil, and make sure it's a prefect square. Also, you should make the first steps very careful not to allow the paper to "slide".

As a last note, I really really liked this model until I learned how to fold it. I think it's a very tedious model to fold (unlike some of Satoshi Kamiya's other super-complex models).

stuckie27 · Post by **stuckie27** » February 24th, 2004, 9:10 pm

Maybe I'll try folding this for my next complex model

Joe the white · Post by **Joe the white** » February 24th, 2004, 9:41 pm

I'd say that the White or Kraft paper would be good. The white paper looks like the art paper from school, but if it is the same, it is good to fold with, except you have to make sharp creases. Kraft paper is good, I have some, but I havn't tried it yet.

P.S. Gilad,thats an interesting place to photograph the Bahamut

gilad_zn · Post by **gilad_zn** » February 24th, 2004, 10:18 pm

Wht, it's not a Bahamut, it's the Celestiall Gaurdian of the Sacred Waterfall!!!!

(I was staying in a hostel, it was raining outside, and a couple of people were sleeping...)

OrigamiMagiro · Post by **OrigamiMagiro** » February 27th, 2004, 4:29 am

I have to disagree that folding complex models from small paper isn't good. Personnally, I love to work with small paper, especially Japanese foil. My first (and only attempt) at the bahamut was out of 10" Japanese foil at the New York convention last year. I thought it came out very well. The key to it is to fold accurately and precisely (and have small fingers).

[img]http://www.bluegoo.net/~jason/bahamut.JPG[/img]

swollix · Post by **swollix** » February 27th, 2004, 3:48 pm

That's very nice,I'll have to try again I have lots of 10" American foil.What's the difference between American and Japanese foil?

OrigamiMagiro · Post by **OrigamiMagiro** » February 27th, 2004, 4:30 pm

Japanese foil is about half as thick as American and is quite strong. In my experience, American foil seems to crumble, break, or tear sometimes which is not as much a problem with Japanese. I have yet to find a good supplier of 10" japanese foil in bulk at a reasonable price, but kim's crane (http://www.kimscrane.com) has really good imported 6" which is what I design with mostly.

gilad_zn · Post by **gilad_zn** » February 27th, 2004, 11:24 pm

I actually like to fold from small sheets of paper. I've folded the Maekawa devil about 3 times from 3" Japanese foil. I usually fold pretty slowly, and when I fold a small model I'm always much slower. Folding very slowly is very good when you have to spend three days traveling on a train across the U.S., but it's not such a good thing in day to day life.

The only time I got American foil was when I attended PCOC, and it's horrible! I found that most art stores in the U.S. have Japanese foil, but not 10", which is a shame. You can't really get good origami paper here in Israel, so I have to rely on online shops and making tissue-foil.

And back to the folding small models, I think one of the greatest pleasures I get from doing it is that I learn so much about how the paper I'm working with behaves. When folding from a small model, the creases one has to make are usually much much smaller than the fingers. When sinking or wrapping-around (such as in Mark Kirschenbaum's Fluffy's eyes) you have to learn how to make the paper move exactly in the way you want.

I think it's good to fold small models just to practice folding. Folding without a flat surface (in the air) is also a good excercise, I think.

dariusz · Post by **dariusz** » May 3rd, 2004, 5:20 pm

I wanted to try folding Bahamut model, but I have the diagrams to be very difficult to follow. If everybody have a good this diagrams please send me.
my email:Dariusek@op.pl

Post by **saj** » May 3rd, 2004, 10:06 pm

The only sort of mail I can imagine you getting now is SPAM! Whenever possible, try not to display your email address. If you must, try something like:

username AT provider DOT extension

Googlebot spiders the board nearly everyday, and I imagine Spam Bots spidering the same.

And please join in with the discussion dariusz! Imagine how boring the board would be if everyone would do diagram requests (I would also imagine we'd be shut down for copyright infringement etc).

saj

swollix · Post by **swollix** » May 4th, 2004, 1:42 pm

I folded the Bahamut out of a 30" square it came out real good.

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