Tanteidan Convention #19

[maddoghoek100]

for the folks that are bumming that their diagrams did not make it, might want to consider loading them up to the Origami USA download platform with a price of $1. Will give your followers easy access to them and you might make enough coin to pay for a free copy of the convention book and then some if the diagrams are good and you have large following.

[origami_8]

That might be a possibility, but given that you have to buy an OUSA membership that isn't really cheap for foreigners, the prize of the membership is probably more than I would get out of the diagrams.

[bethnor]

why don't the designers who were rejected from tanteidan submit to OUSA, 4 esquinas, neo-origami, etc., etc.?

[origami_8]

Who says they don't?

[bethnor]

if the models are really 100x better, we should be seeing them somewhere. so either the models are not as advertised, or they are not being submitted.

[OrigamiMagiro]

That might be a possibility, but given that you have to buy an OUSA membership that isn't really cheap for foreigners, the prize of the membership is probably more than I would get out of the diagrams.

To clarify, one does NOT have to be a member of OrigamiUSA to sell PDF diagrams on the OrigamiUSA online store. All you need is to create a FREE website account as detailed in the following document.

http://origamiusa.org/guidelines-for-download-sellers

[maddoghoek100]

i dont know that anyone said 100 time better, but i think it is safe to say there are many nice models that were not selected for a variety of reasons (too many pages, too few pages, stylistically not a fit, there was already a ____ in the collection, etc.).

I also don't think there are all that many venues for publication, and probably true that very few people are familiar with all of them. My submission was not selected for the collection, and to be honest i literally have no idea where it will end up. With some options it would be 18 to 24 months before they see the light of day. So i would wager that there is some good stuff that just gets lost to the ages because the creator is not aware of other outlets, gets discouraged, or other things take priority.

One reason that the OUSA platform is a nice choice is you can get it out there instantly. As Jason pointed out, you do not need to be a member to upload to the platform as a designer and do not need to be a member to buy form the platform (but their are discounts if you are a member). If you set a price that people are willing to pay you might even make a few bucks. I do think some of the uploads have some very aggressive pricing, but the authors are all free to set any price they see fit.

if the models are really 100x better, we should be seeing them somewhere. so either the models are not as advertised, or they are not being submitted.

[origami_8]

@OrigamiMagiro: Thanks for clarifying. I strongly believed to have read, you have to be a member, but I'm glad to learn I was mistaken. Then I might really consider putting those diagrams there. One thing is for sure, I will publish them somewhere, I'm just not sure where yet. For me there is absolutely no reason to draw diagrams if I don't publish them afterwards, far too much work and for my own record some simple sketches would do as well but apart from me no one else would be able to fold from them. So if I go through the hassle of drawing diagrams, I will publish them sooner or later. My only other thought was to maybe draw some more diagrams and put them together into a second book, this time staying away from big publishing houses.

[bethnor]

it says 100x on the first page.

the fact of the matter is, maddoghoek100, it's hard to believe that there's ignorance about all the outlets. besides tanteidan, there is also OUSA, centerfold, and PCOC. in folders' endless quest for free diagrams, most of them must have stumbled on the spanish origami society and pajarita. then there's the italian organization--before kamiya's minotaur was available in WOSK2, people were clawing for a copy of the convention book with diagrams. there's the aforementioned 4 esquinas, which is beautifully produced, really comparable to JOAS, IMHO, as well as neo-origami. besides the OUSA convention, there's still the downloads that you and jason have mentioned AND the fold. the czech origami society looks to have had an amazing convention anthology, and the canadian origami society was where chen's hell cobra was first published. this is not even mentioning all the different convention books that nicolas terry regularly makes available on origami-shop, from south america and asia. i have been through flickr photosets and i KNOW that people are leaving comments where these outlets are being advertised.

now it's true that tanteidan is probably the most prestigious and i can understand why many designers would want their models to make it. but it's been well known for years that they can be very fickle... i can actually remember the time when ryan welsh was very distressed that they kept turning down his diagrams. now he's made several volumes. they are accused of favoritism, for example, but then people would complain very loudly if a kamiya model didn't show up, so in many ways it's a lose-lose for them.

[mirek.mrajca]

Yes you have true. Tantaidan has the highest priority. Lots of great origamists don't submit diagrams anywhere besides tanteidan (may still origamihouse, but it is same). I think it is shame, becouse they are forgetting that diagrams are for people, not for societies. And lots of them don't want republish these diagrams (of course it is their thing), but when is tanteidan convention book out of print, you already won't see them. It is really big pity.

I think that joas has lots of mistakes. For example every society has some free diagrams, joas, the most wanted society hasn't not a single one. Why? I think that answer is simple - money. May be I am wrong, so I am understan if you don't agree with me.
The next mistake is, that joas and origamihouse doesn't go with time. They absolutly ignore something like e-books.

So for me are OUSA or AEP or some other society more then tanteidan.

[Ondrej.Cibulka]

Hello!

Look here please:
http://www.origamihouse.jp/book/origina ... _19_e.html

Congratulation to all participants

[roodborst]

Since origami house wants to sell as many books as possible, it's only normal that they publish alot of models of 'famous' designers. The famous names is what draws people in to buy the book. I think it's great that anyone can submit diagrams for these convention books, even if you weren't at the actual convention.
My only problem with these kind of books is that they are expensive. You get 50 models, wich is a lot but, I usually only want to fold 2 or 3 models that I find interesting, where most likely one turns out to be to hard for me to fold. So I pay for 50 models but only two are usefull for me.

I must say that this years book has a lot more models I would like to make. I was wondering if anyone knows if Fabiana Sanapanya has a flickr account or website? Maybe under another name? I would like to see a picture of the deer that is included in the book, but google couldn't find it.

[Kicker]

The famous names is what draws people in to buy the book.

I don't think so. I think what pulls people into buying the book are the models themselves, and how interesting they are.

You get 50 models, wich is a lot but, I usually only want to fold 2 or 3 models that I find interesting

I rest my case
Even you buy the book for the models, not because those models were folded by famous people.

If they really privilege famous people, then they're making a huge mistake.
The only thing that they should take into consideration is the ingenuity, realism and complexity of the models.

[roodborst]

Hey kicker. I agree with you. The models come first. But from the perspective of origamihouse I understand why they want the 'famous' names.

[roodborst]

I was at work when I posted my last comment and I hit post before I could finish. So here is the rest.
@kicker
I was thinking from a commercial point of view earlier. That 's why I said they need 'famous' names to sell the book. I would like to compare the book to a music festival (think woodstock). You buy an expensive ticket but your not sure of what you're gonna get. You know the names of some of the performers that you like and that's why you buy your ticket. But at the festival the best show wasn't the famous band on the main stage, but some band you've never heard of but they caught your eye.
The famous names made you buy the ticket, because you know they deliver good quality, but it doesn't mean it's the best show of the festival.
I hope this comparison makes sense.