Andrey Ermakov

insaneorigami · Post by **insaneorigami** » February 26th, 2009, 9:47 pm

Woah! nice fish and turtle, andrey! Gj!

anermak · Post by **anermak** » March 4th, 2009, 11:21 am

Thanks Guys!!!!!

New Version
proportions was tested and optimized pattern, fins are removed, for the greater similarity with the original, I hope it's better ..
papiros paper
square 60-60

Ben385 · Post by **Ben385** » March 4th, 2009, 7:11 pm

Truly excellent. The proportions are perfect, and the black paper is a wonderful choice for it. Bravo

helliluya · Post by **helliluya** » March 5th, 2009, 12:50 am

Black Sawfish looks even more meaner

Post by **origami_8** » March 5th, 2009, 1:01 am

I liked your previous sawfish better. It looks really dangerous.

spiritofcat · Post by **spiritofcat** » March 5th, 2009, 6:16 am

I preferred the first version too.
The new version seems a bit fatter around the head, and the tail is not as detailed is it?

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » March 5th, 2009, 6:38 am

This version is MUCH BETTER. It actually looks kind of like a sawfish. The fins are the right shape now, as is the ray's body. I still think that everything in front of the fins needs work, the head and the saw.

Ondrej.Cibulka · Post by **Ondrej.Cibulka** » March 5th, 2009, 7:14 am

I like both versions, thanks for sharing your hard work. What do you think, is it possible to remove evidently visible grid?

angrydemon · Post by **angrydemon** » March 5th, 2009, 3:26 pm

spiritofcat wrote:I preferred the first version too.
The new version seems a bit fatter around the head, and the tail is not as detailed is it?

The tail of a real sawfish isn't supposed to have any details. It should just be flat and smooth. Just because something is more detailed doesn't make it any better. Otherwise people would just be making insects with hair, humanoid hands, feathered wings and jaws with teeth...and scales.

Post by **origami_8** » March 5th, 2009, 6:36 pm

To tell the truth I don't know how a real sawfish looks like and I'm not interested enough to google it. I just liked your first version better because it looks better in my opinion, also the colour choice is more to my liking. And why not make a feathered elephant or something like this, we are artists, aren't we?

spiritofcat · Post by **spiritofcat** » March 5th, 2009, 8:10 pm

angrydemon wrote:
spiritofcat wrote:I preferred the first version too.
The new version seems a bit fatter around the head, and the tail is not as detailed is it?
The tail of a real sawfish isn't supposed to have any details. It should just be flat and smooth. Just because something is more detailed doesn't make it any better. Otherwise people would just be making insects with hair, humanoid hands, feathered wings and jaws with teeth...and scales.

Yeah, I said I preferred the first version. I didn't say it was more accurate.
I don't know much about sawfish, so I'm not really in any position to judge the anatomical accuracy of the model but based on my own sense of aesthetics, I find the first one more pleasing.

As to the argument about detail, I could refer you to a few highly detailed models with feathered wings, scales, teeth, hands etc.
Many people will try to include as much detail as their skill in folding will allow.

Wizmatt · Post by **Wizmatt** » March 5th, 2009, 8:37 pm

For those who are interested here's some links to pictures of real sawfish:

http://www.arkive.org/common-sawfish/pristis-pristis/

http://www.arkive.org/green-sawfish/pristis-zijsron/

angrydemon · Post by **angrydemon** » March 6th, 2009, 8:18 am

spiritofcat wrote:As to the argument about detail, I could refer you to a few highly detailed models with feathered wings, scales, teeth, hands etc.
Many people will try to include as much detail as their skill in folding will allow.

I don't think you understood what I meant. I'm saying that it's okay to add as much detail as possible, but it wouldn't make any sense to add extra detail that shouldn't be there in the first place. Read my comment properly. And why are you talking to me like I'm some kind of philistine living under a rock who knows nothing about modern origami?

But of course, we are all entitled to our own opinion. It's just that when I want to design an animal I usually favour realism over um...that other thing you said. If the tail was frilly, shouldn't all the fins be frilly? It really screws with the way my brain was wired to think.

spiritofcat · Post by **spiritofcat** » March 6th, 2009, 8:35 am

Sorry. We mis-understood each other.
I get what you mean.
I didn't know what a real saw-fish looked like, so I didn't know it had no frilly bits.
Now that I've seen those photos of real ones I understand that the second is closer to how a real one looks.

Like Ondrej.Cibulka suggested, I'd love to see a version in which the grid lines were not so visible. I think it would look really great if it could be as smooth and sleek looking as the real thing.

anermak · Post by **anermak** » March 22nd, 2009, 3:56 pm