Non-Folders Reactions to Your Origami

[origamifreak_1.6180339889]

comments from my English and science teacher teacher- your models just give me chills whenever I see them
- isn't this kid amazing?-shows whatever i made to some random kid walking down the hall-
- this kid can fold anything out of anything
comments from my math teacher- put that away
- i warned you- crumbles it up and throws it away
- i don't care how many times you say it, there is no math in folding a piece of paper
comments from my s.s. teacher- can you fold an origami me?
- awesome! it looks just like me!
comments from annoying kids in my class- dude, you have no life.
- that's soo gay
-you have no skill, you just fold from directions, any gay retard could do that. you should start free forming. (these kids really need to learn some origami slang, and half of the models i fold i do create)
-"oh look, I'm nick" takes out a piece of paper and tries to fold it "its a magical leopluraldon" throws it at my head(if you check out my flickr, you'll see why I get these comments)

comments from my girl that's pretty-awesome- fancy- etc.
- i love your origami
- your soo creative, that's one of the many reasons I love you.

[petr-stuchly]

the truth is i don't fold during lessons, when having a teacher who doesn't accept anything but the subject, so i don't have a problem . i feel sorry you have such math teacher. he is a "muddle" who can't and doesn't know... there sure is a lot of math in origami!

[Zorigami]

I usually get stuff like
-Wow/Amazing/Cool ect...
-You have to much time on your hands...
-Can you teach me?
-"Do you know how to make a crane?" or "I can make a crane"
-What is that?(when making a crane)
that's about it...

[ralchizar]

I usually get " wow neat" and not much more.
I built this tower once and a coworker came by every few days and said it grows every time I see it. Even weeks after it stoped growing he kept saying that.
Some times I get the "you could sell that" even thought they personally would never buy it.
I took their advice though and I sell origami every saturday at our town's craft fair. I don't make much, only a hundred bucks a week, but that is enough to keep doing it.

[eric_son]

I took their advice though and I sell origami every saturday at our town's craft fair. I don't make much, only a hundred bucks a week, but that is enough to keep doing it.

A hundred bucks a week?!!!
Dang I'd quit my day job and go full time on that.

[akugami]

I took their advice though and I sell origami every saturday at our town's craft fair.

do you sell your own design or just models being traditional or created by other people?
i've heard that "you should sell these things" before, too but i hesitate to try it with models i did not create ...

[ralchizar]

Well it is fun to sell origami, but a hundred bucks a week is not much when that is all my folding for an entire week, because I have a phone job I can fold while I talk. No quitting my job for me.
I do sell other people's models, but just the ones that have a free diagram online (mostly because I am cheap). The legal implications are rather clear cut, I am selling my rendition of a freely available design. If I was selling the actual diagram that would be something different, but I am selling my own paper sculpture.

[origamimasterjared]

<Buzzer> EEEEHHH WRONG!!

You are only allowed to sell your own designs and traditional ones. A freely available diagram is still copyrighted to the author. And, since you're making more money selling your foldings than most of the authors themselves, they are quite likely, and in their right, to be pissed off. Just because diagrams are available online for free does not mean they're in the public domain. Most are not.

It's kind of like if you had some sort of step-by-step instructions for, say painting a Van Gogh, or sculpting a Remington, or building a Wright. They still hold the rights. Both the instructions and the finished work are the intellectual property of the artist. It's the process that's protected. Now, if you design your own that has a similar look, but a different process, in the world of origami that is fairly okay. Provided you weren't trying to replicate the original.

If you want to sell your own designs, go right ahead. You will have the support of most of the origami world behind you for that sort of endeavor. Heck, maybe you can give the rest of us some tips.

[qtrollip]

And, not to add that selling other peoples' designs without their permission would probably make them not put any "free" diagrams available - which of course would have catastrophic implications!

[origami_8]

Since you are located in the USA my I assume that your hundred bucks are meant to be dollars? The value of a hundred bucks can differ a lot depending on the currency you use...

[Jonnycakes]

It's kind of like if you had some sort of step-by-step instructions for, say painting a Van Gogh, or sculpting a Remington, or building a Wright. They still hold the rights. Both the instructions and the finished work are the intellectual property of the artist. It's the process that's protected. Now, if you design your own that has a similar look, but a different process, in the world of origami that is fairly okay. Provided you weren't trying to replicate the original.

Paintings are not analogous to origami designs. They are replicatable and diagrammable. Paintings are not. The best analogy I have seen is comparing a diagram to sheet music.

[origami_8]

I have to disagree, paintings are reproducible otherwise there could not be art forgery. With enough experience and patience everyone could be able to reproduce a painting as well as an Origami artwork. The diagrams in Origami would be equivalent to painting by numbers with the only difference that there aren't any of the more prominent pictures available as drawing by numbers sheets. That's not because it would be impossible to draw them but I think until know just no one had the patience to sit down and make them, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Sure its a lot of work, but Origami diagrams are a lot of work as well.

[origamifreak_1.6180339889]

i agree with johnnycakes. if you have a band and someone pays you to play mama kin at their birthday party is aerosmith going to come and sue you? as long as your doing it privately and not commercially, im pretty sure its okay

[origamimasterjared]

Paintings are not analogous to origami designs. They are replicatable and diagrammable. Paintings are not. The best analogy I have seen is comparing a diagram to sheet music.

That is simply not true. Just because it's not the best analogy does not mean there aren't parallels. In terms of how the processes within the art work together, yes, composition sheet music/tablatures and performances have a very similar relationship. But there are other issues. As Anna said already, paintings and even sculptures are replicable, otherwise we wouldn't have forgers. Indeed, it wouldn't be at all difficult for an accomplished artist to forge an origami work.

Technically if you are making money playing covers I believe you do need to get permission from the band/studio. And you definitely do need to give credit. Yeah, people who have issue with it may not appear at your party, but who knows, maybe your friend is related to Steve Perry (or has some connection) and you could catch a lot of flak (like a huge lawsuit) for that $200 you made playing "Don't Stop Believin'."

[!]

It's about time someone comes up with flexible licenses specifically tailored for origami.

Maybe something along the lines of...

• Open Diagram: You may sell the folded model. You may teach it to others. You may redistribute the document under these conditions: You must only distribute the whole document, You must include this license, You may not sell the document. You may diagram an alteration to this work under these conditions: The derivative work must be licensed with this license, and you must include an attribution to the original work and designer.
• Open Crease Pattern: You may sell the folded model. You may teach it to others. You may redistribute the document under these conditions: You must only distribute the whole document, You must include this license, You may not sell the document. You may draw a crease pattern of an an alteration to this work under these conditions: The derivative work must be licensed with this license, and you must include an attribution to the original work and designer. You may not diagram the folded model without express permission from the author.
• Closed Diagram: You may not sell the folded model. You may teach it to others. You may not redistribute the document. You may not distribute a crease pattern of this diagrammed model. You may not publish derivative works based on this design.

I personally would have no problem if someone sold a fold of my design, as long as I was credited. It's their interpretation.