Buying tissue paper:

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » October 6th, 2009, 3:45 pm

hi, guys, it seems i found tissue paper in the shop, and could you help me to decide which to buy:
french, or german? which quality is better?

Post by **TheRealChris** » October 6th, 2009, 4:43 pm

it depends on who made the paper

I bought german tissue paper that was crap, cheap but it was nearly impossible to make tissue foil without wrinkles.
I buy all my tissue paper here, its the best I found so far
Modulor Online Shop
thats the paper I buy
tissue paper at modulor

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » October 6th, 2009, 5:20 pm

German paper is being made by Folia. http://www.folia.de/
the french one i don't know.

I contacted with shop assistant and we had a few words about that tissue. i asked if paper, when wet, doesn't split. She said that it does. I wondered, because in tissue foil making videos e.g Sara's when the glues the tissue, she takes some material and cleans the bubbles. but ding that the paper doesn't split up

Post by **origami_8** » October 6th, 2009, 5:44 pm

The Tissue Paper by Folia is the same as the one sold by Modulor. It's bleeding what means it looses colour when wet. This is only important when you like to make double MC paper and like different colours on both sides, that won't work out. If you want both sides the same colour this paper is perfect and for tissue foil it doesn't matter at all. This paper sure is a good choice, but why not try both kinds, the French and the German paper?

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » October 6th, 2009, 5:59 pm

After i opened Modular shop link, i realized that this may be the same paper, because the size of the sheet was exactly the same.

As Chris said: "I buy all my tissue paper here, its the best I found so far"
i chilled out, coz i know that folia paper is the same as he buys.

I think I'll try both.

Thank You both

Didée · Post by **Didée** » October 6th, 2009, 6:14 pm

It's not like all tissue were the same, there are important differences. Main difference is "waterfast" (non-bleeding) quality, versus the cheaper non-waterfast quality which is bleeding when wet. When available, I would definetly recommend the waterfast quality, since it's pretty easy to work with. You can MC it to heart, stretch and shift and push it on the surface to remove wrinkles and bubbles, and there's no danger that it will rip. Opposed to the bleeding qualities, which do rip *very* easily when they're wet.

So far I tried like 4 different types of tissue: (what's available in my hometown)

a) bleeding quality by "Gütermann creativ" (~20 gsm, 50x70 sheets on a roll):
When wet, it will rip so easily that it's practically impossible to remove bubbles & wrinkles. As soon as you do "anything", it will rip. If at all, you've to roll it out on the MC'ed (or glue'd, for tissue foil) surface, and let it come out like it will come out.
This one also takes less stress when it's dry, so it's more problematic to work with.
On the good side, this paper has a nice structural texture to it, a good haptic, and the colors are particularly vivid.

b) bleeding quality by "Heyda"(~20 gsm, sheets 50x70, folded):
Similar to a), but not quite as extreme. You can work a little bit of bubbles and wrinkles, but not very much. You've to be extremly careful, and there's high danger to overdo it. (Read: r-i-p-p...)

c) waterfast quality by "Staufen-Demmler" (~20gsm, 50x500 on a roll):
Ah, such a fun to work with this one. No problems at all when MC'ing or glue'ing it. Nothing more to say - it works very well, and doesn't make any problems.

d) waterfast quality by [unknown] (florist tissue, ~30 gsm, 75cm x 450m, secucare roll):
Like c), but even more robust. I'm in the process of getting more of this paper: For very complex models, the usual double-tissue often is a little too thick already (after all, 20 gsm doubled is 40 gsm ...). And single-layered 20gsm tissue is no big fun to work with, at least to me.
However, this 30gsm tissue works very well single-layered. I would almost call it "poor man's Origamido". (Though I've never had a piece of Origamido in my hands ... would really like to feel how it is.)

Summed up: whenever possile, get waterfast tissue. The bleeding qualities make too much problems to be worth the effort.

Post by **origami_8** » October 6th, 2009, 6:24 pm

I have to disagree. The waterfast qualities I got so far are harder to work with than the bleeding ones. Sure it doesn't rip so easily, but on the other hand it produces a lot more wrinkles. MC will not soak through, so you can't just lay two layers of tissue paper over each other and place the MC on top but you have to apply the MC on one layer, then roll the second layer over and apply some more MC, that's twice as much work and far more likely to get crinkles.
I have a good stock of bleeding and non-bleeding tissue paper and whenever possible I try to use the bleeding ones because they are easier to work with even though the waterfast ones I have are really beautiful when it comes to colours.

PauliusOrigami · Post by **PauliusOrigami** » October 6th, 2009, 6:38 pm

Up to these days i used to make (fake) "tissue-foil" with table serviettes, what is headache, too. One layer of serviette i think is even worse than the worst quality tissue? am i right? (because i had not had tissue in my hand yet)

Even though it is hard to work neatly with serviettes i somehow manage to get "tissue-foil" without almost any wrinkles..

I hope i could make smooth tissue-foil with real tissue-paper

Didée · Post by **Didée** » October 6th, 2009, 7:14 pm

@Anna - yes, you have a good point there: MC soaks rather easily through bleeding tissues, and (almost) not through the waterfast ones. But still, the bleeding tissues will wrinkle when the wet paper is expanding, so the problem has to be handled somehow.
(Also, I've no problem to take the brush once more and apply more MC, to compensate for the not-soaking-through, then take the 2nd roll and apply it onto the 1st sheet ... where's the problem?)

Probably it depends on the exact kind of paper, on personal "ability" and/or technique of manipulating the wet paper, and whatnotelse.

Anyway, for me the situation is clear: with waterfast tissue, I have no problems to get a wrinkle-free result. With bleeding tissue, I've the choice between a) a wrinkly result, or b) a 90% chance to destroy the paper while trying to work out wrinkles and bubbles.

@Paulius: Oh, paper-serviette tissue. I remember having tried that once ... and never again. It was a disappointing experience to me...

Adam · Post by **Adam** » October 6th, 2009, 8:29 pm

TheRealChris wrote:it depends on who made the paper
I bought german tissue paper that was crap, cheap but it was nearly impossible to make tissue foil without wrinkles.
I buy all my tissue paper here, its the best I found so far
Modulor Online Shop
thats the paper I buy
tissue paper at modulor

That looks like a nice website, but the only problem is that the largest size is 500x700 mm. I'm currently looking for something larger, something which is at least 1000mm long/wide. Overlapping sheets produces large sheets of paper, but it's tedious to align things properly and it can easily go wrong.

Any idea where to find this?

Jason_Gaffney · Post by **Jason_Gaffney** » November 6th, 2009, 4:57 pm

i have ordered some from here:
http://www.raysflorist.co.uk/

it's rather large, and labelled bleed and fade resistant.
the brand is OASIS, they make allsorts of florists supplies i beleive.

This seems to be a good choice, i'll post results when it arrives.

Post by **origami_8** » November 6th, 2009, 6:00 pm

Looks cheap. The question is how much paper you get in one pack.

Post by **TheRealChris** » November 6th, 2009, 6:19 pm

Jason_Gaffney · Post by **Jason_Gaffney** » November 12th, 2009, 6:33 pm

thats right, 48 sheets. it certainly seems to be good stuff, i ordered scarlet and black, and yes you do get many sheets for your money, which is more than i can say for the stuff ive seen in art shops (COUGH ORDS GROUP COUGH). plus that stuff wasnt labelled bleed or fade resistant. now all i need is some methylcelulose, im living a nightmare getting my hands on it in the uk. a word of advice regarding this: if the wallpaper paste is like small granular flakes, as almost all paste is now, it's starch based, even if not labelled "cold water starch" or anything.

i want pure MC! tarnation!

The Average Folder · December 2nd, 2010, 1:55 pm

I know this post is very dead, but does anyone know of tissue paper in the US? I asked around in Europe, but their shipping is not so good. I know it isn't their forte, but 15 weeks of waiting and shipping is 96 dollars + tax!