Satoshi Kamiya - Leafy Sea Dragon (CP)

Zoraz · Post by **Zoraz** » October 29th, 2009, 9:19 pm

Sorry, I wasn't entirely sure I understood what you were asking, thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately, I have almost no experience in finding reference points. When I have to do it for a Kamiya model, there are 3 different references that he uses very often, so I try them first. If they don't work, the next thing I try is to see if it is based off a grid. If that fails too, then I use reference finder.

PsychoMuffin · Post by **PsychoMuffin** » October 30th, 2009, 4:48 pm

Yeah, its just I wish I knew the rational behind them. I mean, folding the 22.5, then another diagonal the the midpoint, as in the first one, and then the vertical creases in the second one based on a another odd diagonal; they seem arbitrary, but I know there is some kind of mathematical or C/R packing logic behind those folds.

topsu · Post by **topsu** » October 30th, 2009, 5:36 pm

Sometimes, you can just guess the reference point by just trying different ways. I have no idea about the methods used in this case, though. Let's wait for those who solved the reference point to answer.

But here's a thing that at least solves the issue of finding any reference point:

http://www.langorigami.com/science/reff ... inder.php4
The mighty reference finder!
Just measure the coordinates of any dot on the CP, feed them to reference finder and bang! It calculates you a folding sequence.

EDIT: hehe, looks like Zoraz mentioned that already x3...

BrooksHalten · Post by **BrooksHalten** » November 1st, 2009, 2:40 am

Got mine done, but still a bit too ugly to show. I'll make a second attempt at it with larger paper. I folded my first attempt from a 10"x10" square.

Zoraz · Post by **Zoraz** » November 1st, 2009, 3:20 am

Congrats on finishing it! You should go for 20" for your next one though, even if its the same paper it will look a lot better

BrooksHalten · Post by **BrooksHalten** » November 2nd, 2009, 5:43 pm

I just can't figure out how to fold the leaves. I assume the long, thin flap on the head somehow is shifted to the top of the head? This is always the problem with me! I can get the base, but get totally lost on the final shaping!

Why isn't PCP's getting more popular?

PsychoMuffin · Post by **PsychoMuffin** » November 2nd, 2009, 6:52 pm

Yeah, I was able to collapse mine. The spine wasn't where I was expecting it to be. I couldn't follow the MVD 100%

for example, in the area where StarPartener has having trouble and said "I tried folding it, but I am still having problems with these particulat folds..." I found that those two diagonal folds also fold through the stack of pleats next to it, up to the middle of the central square.

And I could collapse the crane base, but instead just used a single square box pleat?!?

For mine I used about a 10" foil backed sheet. I had an idea that I'm surprised I have not had before. I just cut my foil to 11x17, and printed the MVD on the white side. It helped for the exercise.

First I plan to post some pictures to help others figure out the base.

Then I think i'll unfold it to find a logical sequence to put it back together with the MVD.

Thanks Kafar for the diagram, BTW, what program / method did you use to construct it?

StarPartener · Post by **StarPartener** » November 6th, 2009, 4:55 am

Does anyone know what to do with the flap that comes from the Heptagon shape in the top left hand corner (according to the CP on his website). When I look at the final models, I can't find where it is, so I was wondering where it was folded into. Thanks!

PsychoMuffin · Post by **PsychoMuffin** » November 6th, 2009, 7:42 am

That almost octagon shape consists of consecutive sinks, which means the whole thing is sunk into the model, and out of sight. The finer box pleats in the top left corner make up the five points in the head, and the perimeter of this shape are flaps and hinges. The 4 converging points on the heptagon, and the two more on the top and left edges are the first 6 leafy branches, I guess you'd call them.

I hope that helps.

BTW, now that I've made the base, Im trying to logically unfold it to try to find a logical way to fold it.

orislater · Post by **orislater** » November 7th, 2009, 12:04 am

origamimasterjared wrote:
I haven't folded it yet, and won't until sometime after November 8th.

lol thats my birthday

rockmanex6 · Post by **rockmanex6** » November 12th, 2009, 9:56 am

I folds chans one now
better

Wizmatt · Post by **Wizmatt** » November 13th, 2009, 6:05 pm

Is there a photo or Cp of Brian Chan's Sea Dragon anywhere?

BrooksHalten · Post by **BrooksHalten** » November 13th, 2009, 8:11 pm

I just ralized I've been trying to make the finishing touches to the model...upside down!

I should have paid closer attention. Ah well. Even then, I'm not sure how to fold the leaves themselves. Everything else I can manage.

foldymole · Post by **foldymole** » November 20th, 2009, 4:11 am

Thought this might be of interest.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91682358@N00/3027445599/

BUGguy · Post by **BUGguy** » November 22nd, 2009, 12:20 am

Wizmatt wrote:Is there a photo or Cp of Brian Chan's Sea Dragon anywhere?

heres brians sea dragon picture and cp i found on Jared's flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oriholic/4094472945/