Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

[Hydraxon493]

Did you see the pictures on page 10 of this thread? If those didnt help i can post some pictures i took of those steps...

Pictures

Let me know if you still need help.

Thank you so much!!!
I was stuck on the same part, and that helped me right out.
What sort of paper is good to fold this with?

[bethnor]

Thank you so much!!!
I was stuck on the same part, and that helped me right out.
What sort of paper is good to fold this with?

is it really that hard to read through the thread?

it is stated numerous times that you need a large sheet of thin, strong, paper. i know 'cuz i've said it in nearly every post i've made to this thread. it took me 30 sec to find out that you have origamido, which would otherwise fit the bill, but 40 cm is a little on the small side. that's ok, you should still be able to finish the model, but detailing on the head will get annoyingly small (which is why kamiya himself recommends a 50 cm minimum for the first time you fold the model).

many folders have had success with tissue foil, but i actually don't think this is a great model for that medium. mainly because of those open sinks that you have to do around step 80, which are hard because there is no way to open the model and evenly spread the layers. i've said that numerous times, too. if you live stateside, and have access to kami, the easiest way to practice the model is to tape together 4 pieces of 25 cm kami. the model will not be presentable, but it will give you a gist of the pitfalls and difficult parts. if you screw up, no big deal, scrap it, tape together another four pieces, and try again (whereas if you screw up tissue foil, you've wasted the sheet, the time and effort to make it).

[Jonnycakes]

is it really that hard to read through the thread?

I know I wouldn't want to. It is much easier to re-ask a simple question than to sift through 40 pages of miscellaneous ancient dragon problems in an attempt to find the answer.

[RollerCoasterBug]

many folders have had success with tissue foil, but i actually don't think this is a great model for that medium. mainly because of those open sinks that you have to do around step 80, which are hard because there is no way to open the model and evenly spread the layers.

Actually, If you're good at working your fingers through the inside of the model, without ruining it, then it it very easy. That's what I do. stretching the sinks isn't needed, If you can open them from behind. Don't try this on the ancient dragon, unless you know what folds to get into. I mainly fold all of layers to the side, and move the flap I want to sink to the top. There should be a tunnel through the layers that you can work your way into. When finished, fold the layers back up. None of the layers should should be put somewhere else on the model, they should merely be folded down, or behind. Thus, the quote above is made easy at that step.

[Hydraxon493]

ayaa such a hard model! haha so I thought I could finish this model, but stuck on #84. The paper gets too thick at this step. Help origami friends

Really?
I used a sheet of 10" Japanese foil as a sort of a private joke, and I got well over step 100. I had to stop because the head would be too small and too unworkable. lolhaha.
If you used fairly thin and modellable paper, I actually found step 84 to be a cinch. Only problem is getting your finger into the model to puff it out to sink without opening the circled cluster of layers.
Also...
I went onto Origamido to buy some paper, and they have no paper on the website.
As in, no selection of paper.
Which is a shame, because where I live there is about NO good paper to fold this, the Bahamut, or the Bahamut Lagoon (BL).
Where is the paper selection on Origamido?

Edit:
I started with another piece of 10" foil, and finished it completely. Not all of the steps were done (paper was too small) but it looks pretty cool.

[Hydraxon493]

Yes... I can do any fold, im good but AGAIN " I DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIAGRAMS" if i would... it will be finished very easy. Starting 4th dragon. I Kinda understand all.. Today Maybe ill finish it BECAUSEE!!!!!! i know all the diagrams... (well kinda) And Yes 6 years is much... and it is not irrelevant... I couldnt find any origami that i cant make yet... Not as a diagram! And im not giving big ... That was my message like " Nah No way... I dont give up ... Why i should?"

The diagrams are simple to follow. Just follow the grey line to the next step.
On an unrelated note, I have been folding for but two years, and I think I am fairly good, albeit not as good as some others on the forum.

[Hydraxon493]

Hydraxon - I'm not sure that Michael LaFosse will sell paper without talking in person to the individual who wishes to purchase the paper. I contacted him about something similar to the ancient dragon a very long time ago, and he said that he only sold paper after discussing it with the person. You could always try, but don't get your hopes up.

Also, Origamido paper might be a bit overkill for the Ancient Dragon. Sure, it would probably look terriffic folded out of Origamido, but at least 8 bucks a sheet seems like a bit much to spend for it. You could always look for some wrapping paper at a parchment store. Or, you may be lucky enough to live near a paper-making store, where they handmake paper.

Also, 50 cm seems like a huge minimum size. I have folded it with great results, out of 38 cm paper. Don't forget that, at a point, a sheet of paper can become so large, that it is difficult to fold. While 50cm certainly is not at that point, be careful.

I know what you mean,
I tried folding it out of at least 1m baking paper (my bad) and I got up to 66, and it looked like a bug splat on a wall. I'll probably just buy 2 sheets, and see how I go. But, I'll try the giftwrap first.
Thanks for the advice.

[Hydraxon493]

Hey
I was just on Nicolas Terry's Origami shop, and found huge sheets of over a meter of black chaos Tant.
Apparently, this is very good for complex models, aka this dragon.
Should I give it a go?

[garrasdecaiman]

I´m sorry I have not had time to read all the thread but
and if I can ask the question
Has anybody here tried the dragon with the inoshishigami pleats as kamiya tells us, well I did and it works wonderfully, it makes for an extremely beautiful folding sequence although it does not give much for the final appearance.

what do you think?

And I would like to pose a question.
Wouldn´t it be super cool to get a fully unabridged (full inoshishigami belly and mirror sequences), with just one diagram per page in a moleskine sized fat little book so we true orimaniacs could carry it around to show the nonbelievers?
oh this just came to me it, could be used as a double speed flipbook
X

[Ragnorax]

Hey
I was just on Nicolas Terry's Origami shop, and found huge sheets of over a meter of black chaos Tant.
Apparently, this is very good for complex models, aka this dragon.
Should I give it a go?

I would say a big NO to using Tant, as i've already tried to fold it from Tant.... but if the size is large enough then i think it could work. Give it a go

[Hydraxon493]

Hey
I was just on Nicolas Terry's Origami shop, and found huge sheets of over a meter of black chaos Tant.
Apparently, this is very good for complex models, aka this dragon.
Should I give it a go?

I would say a big NO to using Tant, as i've already tried to fold it from Tant.... but if the size is large enough then i think it could work. Give it a go

Thanks for the answer.
They have enormous sheets at the site, in a wide range colours. If you have a moment, check it out.

[Hydraxon493]

hey
I managed to finish my ancient dragon last night out of ten-inch blue japanese foil (stayed up till two in the morning working on it o_O). Although I had to miss out a lot of the moves that thin the head and horns around step 140, it still looks pretty cool. Aside from the head and forelegs, it is pretty neat for the size.

Edit:
Sorry for the low-quality pictures, ImageShack isnt too good.
I finished my first big dragon, 77cm giftwrap. Too hard to fold, but it turned out Ok. Images:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43972761@N03/
My photostream
Click to see all pictures of both dragons.
Thanks for the support, everyone!

[Origami NINJA]

Wow your result came back great from just Foil, i would suggest trying it with a big sheet of double tissue or kraft, those usually have the best result.

[Hydraxon493]

Wow your result came back great from just Foil, i would suggest trying it with a big sheet of double tissue or kraft, those usually have the best result.

It did turn out pretty good, yeah.
Starting on 47.5cm kraft paper, will post more pictures soon.
Thanks for the compliment on the dragon.

Edit:
Found some "premium" gift wrap, approx 50cm.
Is 80gsm too thick, or just right?

[jbl]

Hello all,

I'm new here, so anyway hello all

I'm stuck at step 83-85. I don't know if i've done right the previous steps. But here some pics :


Before The reverses folds :

[img]http://nsm03.casimages.com/img/2010/05/ ... 943462.jpg[/img]

After :

[img]http://nsm03.casimages.com/img/2010/05/ ... 943468.jpg[/img]

And the side :

[img]http://nsm03.casimages.com/img/2010/05/ ... 943478.jpg[/img]


Like you can see, it's easy to make the sunks ( the lower) but for the upper, i have a big problem. I think i have made a big mistake ...

Somebody can help me ?

Thank in advance and sorry for my bad bad english !

Jb