Call for Submission of Diagrams and Crease Patterns
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PauliusOrigami
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No. Badly chosen browser. Choose opera. The fastest and the most secure. And opens all the websites without any problems.
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one way around the resizing problem is to right click on the screen, then select "zoom-in." this makes everything too large, but in turn will give you the "hand" icon to drag the screen about as you like.
otherwise, i agree with ben. not sure what the designers of the website are thinking. the price for internationals is ~ $80/year. that's more expensive than the tanteidan, which is still the gold standard! and not to be elitist, but i don't recognize any of the names involved. i would frankly be more assured if they could get some western designers to give submissions on a regular basis (seth friedman? brian chan? chad killeen? lafosse? montroll, even?), that this was a product that could rival tanteidan. further, if i am reading correctly, i don't think they offer complex diagrams (yet).
otherwise, i agree with ben. not sure what the designers of the website are thinking. the price for internationals is ~ $80/year. that's more expensive than the tanteidan, which is still the gold standard! and not to be elitist, but i don't recognize any of the names involved. i would frankly be more assured if they could get some western designers to give submissions on a regular basis (seth friedman? brian chan? chad killeen? lafosse? montroll, even?), that this was a product that could rival tanteidan. further, if i am reading correctly, i don't think they offer complex diagrams (yet).
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Wow, no love for Sok's project? I met him at OUSA [through Seth] and we had a good conversation. He's a good guy for origami.
I know I will be happy to submit something. Sok recently finished his book and is clearly working very hard on this. Sok runs the NYC Origami Meetup Group (OMG), and was responsible for among other things the OUSA Oversize Folding competition. He also brought all those cool Korean creators' works over for the OUSA convention. I agree that the website pages are a little too big.
I'm excited about the magazine, and I hope it is successful!
I know I will be happy to submit something. Sok recently finished his book and is clearly working very hard on this. Sok runs the NYC Origami Meetup Group (OMG), and was responsible for among other things the OUSA Oversize Folding competition. He also brought all those cool Korean creators' works over for the OUSA convention. I agree that the website pages are a little too big.
I'm excited about the magazine, and I hope it is successful!
Yeah, all the vitriol aimed at the venture seems a little premature. In my mind anything that might further the art / hobby and or put previously unpublished material on the market has great potential. Not everyone can operate as a charity (ala OUSA or BOS - which I might add is substantially assisted by royalties from the late Robert Harbin's collected copyrighted material). I may wait to see an actual TOC or pictures of what is included in the first issue before pulling the trigger, but sheesh people, chill out.
Oh, and I have no problems on my screen using Chrome. The sound off / on switch is clearly positioned in the bottom right of the screen on every screen I clicked through. Perhaps they fixed it from when it was first posted. Though I do see what you mean about not being able to scroll around on a smaller screen or window. Oh well, I guess everyone's a critic
Oh, and I have no problems on my screen using Chrome. The sound off / on switch is clearly positioned in the bottom right of the screen on every screen I clicked through. Perhaps they fixed it from when it was first posted. Though I do see what you mean about not being able to scroll around on a smaller screen or window. Oh well, I guess everyone's a critic
ok, i'll admit i jumped the gun a little, and misread the site. though i maintain that the price tag is a little eyebrow raising, they are making some very ambitious promises... 12 diagrams/issue, apparently, with 6 issues/year is a LOT, apparently all of them previously unpublished. not sure if they can maintain that pace.
so i guess i'll retract any criticisms until i see what's going to be in the first issue.
so i guess i'll retract any criticisms until i see what's going to be in the first issue.
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Yes, the website is a little too big. You can scroll if you point your cursor to the gray border area and middle-click (scroll wheel). It is a little odd, but it works. Also, if you have problems with the website/magazine, why not email them instead of whining about it here? Bottom line: if you don't like it, don't buy it. If you don't like the website, don't go there.
I just read up a little bit on the person behind it. While I realize that bios are designed to make a person look really good, it appears that if anyone can pull off a commercial publication this Sok fellow can. He has the exposure (and likely connections) to make it work. Very ambitious but pretty cool. I mean, seriously, how cool would it be for Origami to become somewhat mainstream with even casual enthusiast getting involved. The more positive exposure the better. As for the high price, that may end up changing if no one is subscribing. Regardless, I am excited, though restrained until we see what comes of it all.
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worst.nothing else can describe it.
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The defense of this magazine from Jared and Pharmjod is a little off the mark. Nobody is questing whether the producers of the magazine are nice guys or not, it's not about that. To summarize the objections so far:
(a) the website is poorly designed,
(b) the subscription cost is too high,
(c) the magazine is not offering enough compensation for diagram contributions.
These are all valid points and have nothing to do with whether this Sok fellow is a nice guy or not. And this type of criticism is perfectly fair, and should be considered carefully by the people creating the magazine. Afterall this is perhaps the initial reception they have received from any segment of the origami community outside of close friends.
And whether or not they are your friends, we are talking business now. This is not just a pet project between colleagues like Koppel's Scaffold was (which was also free anyway). You know this topic could have been locked from the beginning to only serve as advertisement, but it was not. We are being invited to participate in their business venture, but we are also invited to sound off, and we are doing that.
(a) the website is poorly designed,
(b) the subscription cost is too high,
(c) the magazine is not offering enough compensation for diagram contributions.
These are all valid points and have nothing to do with whether this Sok fellow is a nice guy or not. And this type of criticism is perfectly fair, and should be considered carefully by the people creating the magazine. Afterall this is perhaps the initial reception they have received from any segment of the origami community outside of close friends.
And whether or not they are your friends, we are talking business now. This is not just a pet project between colleagues like Koppel's Scaffold was (which was also free anyway). You know this topic could have been locked from the beginning to only serve as advertisement, but it was not. We are being invited to participate in their business venture, but we are also invited to sound off, and we are doing that.
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garrasdecaiman
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to me the grand problem is
Do we really want to start a strictly for profit origami, what will happen to all the people that publish their "own" origami which is clearly a modification of a preexisting model.
Up to the moment eaven if you would like to think that copyright etc. gives you exclusivity, that YOUR work should be reimbursed, that PEOPLE are using YOUR model and therefore STEALING YOUR WORK and MONEY, it is not usually so.
yes mr lang makes money from origami but I can suppose it is not his primary source of income, nor anybody else makes very good income from anything but commisioned work.
I personally would like to think of it as an art form, as a meditative occupation, yes you can make money but it should not be the primary focus.
mr lang gives away his knowkledge in his webpage and design secrets and treemaker, all for free, yes you must buy the book but the information contained inside is much more than the nice paper and ink and work that the price reflects.
mr kamiya, mr maekawa, mr meguro, mr komatsu, all of them gift their knowledge, time, work to all of us.
why would they do this, because the prefer to advance their art, our art, origami itself, and it will not be easily done when the tools for it are so simple, just our hands, our brains and paper, but the knowledge is exclusive, diffuclt to come by and expesive.
there is another thread in this forum about inkscape, which is free and good and the preferred tool for diagramming for many in this forum, it is similar to corel draw, but is draw better now that it´s not much better than inkscape, not anymore, in scientific cicles there is the program R, in knowledge there is wikipedia, all of them free for the user, with very high volumes of work hours in them.
so the question we should be asking is what, we in the forum, are willing to do for origami.
try to lock it down with money and copyright and user rights
or to advance the artform in the best way possible building a big database with the most information, diagrams, theory, photos, models, and hours upon hours of work for free.
for the end user, for knowing we will live in the history of this new scientific-art form. that eaven if we are forgotten we will live on through our work, as stepping stones for newer, better, faster and stronger generations of folders.
I personally believe the latter.
but what do you think?
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I hope I wasn´t too verbose and that my comments are useless.
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Do we really want to start a strictly for profit origami, what will happen to all the people that publish their "own" origami which is clearly a modification of a preexisting model.
Up to the moment eaven if you would like to think that copyright etc. gives you exclusivity, that YOUR work should be reimbursed, that PEOPLE are using YOUR model and therefore STEALING YOUR WORK and MONEY, it is not usually so.
yes mr lang makes money from origami but I can suppose it is not his primary source of income, nor anybody else makes very good income from anything but commisioned work.
I personally would like to think of it as an art form, as a meditative occupation, yes you can make money but it should not be the primary focus.
mr lang gives away his knowkledge in his webpage and design secrets and treemaker, all for free, yes you must buy the book but the information contained inside is much more than the nice paper and ink and work that the price reflects.
mr kamiya, mr maekawa, mr meguro, mr komatsu, all of them gift their knowledge, time, work to all of us.
why would they do this, because the prefer to advance their art, our art, origami itself, and it will not be easily done when the tools for it are so simple, just our hands, our brains and paper, but the knowledge is exclusive, diffuclt to come by and expesive.
there is another thread in this forum about inkscape, which is free and good and the preferred tool for diagramming for many in this forum, it is similar to corel draw, but is draw better now that it´s not much better than inkscape, not anymore, in scientific cicles there is the program R, in knowledge there is wikipedia, all of them free for the user, with very high volumes of work hours in them.
so the question we should be asking is what, we in the forum, are willing to do for origami.
try to lock it down with money and copyright and user rights
or to advance the artform in the best way possible building a big database with the most information, diagrams, theory, photos, models, and hours upon hours of work for free.
for the end user, for knowing we will live in the history of this new scientific-art form. that eaven if we are forgotten we will live on through our work, as stepping stones for newer, better, faster and stronger generations of folders.
I personally believe the latter.
but what do you think?
X
I hope I wasn´t too verbose and that my comments are useless.
X
to be fair, no one can really say that the subscription cost is too high--yet. if it lives up to its promise, that's 12 unpublished diagrams every 2 months, for 72 a year. that's quite a bit. now, if they're all pureland pinwheel variants, i agree the cost is way too high. however, according to the website, they have gotten a lot of creators, including western, japanese, and korean, to commit to diagrams. will they live up to that? i dunno, and only time will tell. i DO think 72 unpublished diagrams/year is a tall order and they will likely fail on that basis alone, just because that's an awful lot (unless, again, the models are all very simple).
as for what the diagram contributors get, though your point is valid, it's really no different than what any contributors get ever. i.e., i don't think kamiya (or anyone else) gets anything from contributing to the tanteidan. though i could be mistaken. further, assuming the website is being truthful, and many creators are onboard, they seem happy with the current compensation, even if it is none at all.
as for your point, garrassdecaimon, i do believe if so many creators, including jarrod, are on board, then they will obey lang's rules (i.e., if you can tell that it was derived from something else, you won't call it your own). again, only time will tell.
as for what the diagram contributors get, though your point is valid, it's really no different than what any contributors get ever. i.e., i don't think kamiya (or anyone else) gets anything from contributing to the tanteidan. though i could be mistaken. further, assuming the website is being truthful, and many creators are onboard, they seem happy with the current compensation, even if it is none at all.
as for your point, garrassdecaimon, i do believe if so many creators, including jarrod, are on board, then they will obey lang's rules (i.e., if you can tell that it was derived from something else, you won't call it your own). again, only time will tell.
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I hate this magazine.
Another thing against it-
They won't accept hand drawn diagrams, presumably because they're messy. Look at the hand drawn diagrams of Dave Brill and Rikki Donachie. Don't tell me they're messy.
EDIT: Sorry, I got a bit more angry than i meant to. I was a bit peeved 'cos i wanted to send in diagrams for my frog but he said hand drawn diagrams were 'not preferred'. I only said I hated it because I don't have enough money to buy it.
Another thing against it-
They won't accept hand drawn diagrams, presumably because they're messy. Look at the hand drawn diagrams of Dave Brill and Rikki Donachie. Don't tell me they're messy.
EDIT: Sorry, I got a bit more angry than i meant to. I was a bit peeved 'cos i wanted to send in diagrams for my frog but he said hand drawn diagrams were 'not preferred'. I only said I hated it because I don't have enough money to buy it.
Last edited by anonymous person on August 26th, 2010, 11:09 am, edited 2 times in total.
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You have no idea how pissed I am right now.
Can you guys stop acting like freakin sheep! Can you guys give the creator of this magazine a break. I'm not a heavy supporter or fan of Sok , but I feel that you guys should seriously give him a break.
C'mon, the website just opened. Some of you elitists, like Anna, think that the website is completely horrendous and keep criticizing it. Seriously, do any of you understand how hard is it to make a freakin flash site. Even international multi-national coorporations screw up occasionally. A flash site, though not as fragile as a Java or CSS based site is still bound to meet problems. You guys just seem to have zero idea how hard these websites are to make! This project is nearly independent. I doubt Sok had employed the best of the best web designers, due to his lack of budget. I know how difficult these sites are to make as I myself am a website designer.
Secondly, I know the price is abit exorbitant and over the top. However, this is a very miniscule project, Sok simply does not have the scale to make his magazines cheaper! I'm not saying 'pity this poor guy and buy his magazine', but at least stop spreading bad air and flaming him before anything comes out! Tanteidan is a huge coorporation. It is pretty obvious that they can sell cheap and cater to a large market. But Sok is doing a one man's show. If nothing, you guys should give him a pat on the back.
For those who don't trust Sok, I understand what you are saying. But don't you think that you are already spreading bad airs with no basis of blame? Its like I start spamming horrible words on your gallery or make baseless "This design is multisheet and cut" comments on you little galleries. Would you like that?
And now to the sheep. By sheep I'm meaning the spammybots. tskorigami, newbiecpfolder, or Tom, whatever you wnat me to call you stop spamming. Whether you are one flickr or on the forum, you should just stop spamming randomosity. The particular : "This is the worst ever" comment, I felt was extremely degrading to Sok. He had probably spent weeks, no months on this project and you call it the worst ever project? It sure is less crappy than your spammybotness and your little crumpled designs. Have respect for a folder who is way more experienced than you and who is willing to make the origami world a richer and more accesible place.
In conclusion, have respect for this guy. Have a heart, give him your support and phrase your criticisms well. Right now I'm feeling that you guys are being extremely inhumane. THe very least you guys should do is send him a letter of apology or such. Have a heart.
Can you guys stop acting like freakin sheep! Can you guys give the creator of this magazine a break. I'm not a heavy supporter or fan of Sok , but I feel that you guys should seriously give him a break.
C'mon, the website just opened. Some of you elitists, like Anna, think that the website is completely horrendous and keep criticizing it. Seriously, do any of you understand how hard is it to make a freakin flash site. Even international multi-national coorporations screw up occasionally. A flash site, though not as fragile as a Java or CSS based site is still bound to meet problems. You guys just seem to have zero idea how hard these websites are to make! This project is nearly independent. I doubt Sok had employed the best of the best web designers, due to his lack of budget. I know how difficult these sites are to make as I myself am a website designer.
Secondly, I know the price is abit exorbitant and over the top. However, this is a very miniscule project, Sok simply does not have the scale to make his magazines cheaper! I'm not saying 'pity this poor guy and buy his magazine', but at least stop spreading bad air and flaming him before anything comes out! Tanteidan is a huge coorporation. It is pretty obvious that they can sell cheap and cater to a large market. But Sok is doing a one man's show. If nothing, you guys should give him a pat on the back.
For those who don't trust Sok, I understand what you are saying. But don't you think that you are already spreading bad airs with no basis of blame? Its like I start spamming horrible words on your gallery or make baseless "This design is multisheet and cut" comments on you little galleries. Would you like that?
And now to the sheep. By sheep I'm meaning the spammybots. tskorigami, newbiecpfolder, or Tom, whatever you wnat me to call you stop spamming. Whether you are one flickr or on the forum, you should just stop spamming randomosity. The particular : "This is the worst ever" comment, I felt was extremely degrading to Sok. He had probably spent weeks, no months on this project and you call it the worst ever project? It sure is less crappy than your spammybotness and your little crumpled designs. Have respect for a folder who is way more experienced than you and who is willing to make the origami world a richer and more accesible place.
In conclusion, have respect for this guy. Have a heart, give him your support and phrase your criticisms well. Right now I'm feeling that you guys are being extremely inhumane. THe very least you guys should do is send him a letter of apology or such. Have a heart.
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Today the website looks very good on safari on my pc ! : )
I emailed about subscribing...there does not seem to be a way to subscribe yet.
I emailed about subscribing...there does not seem to be a way to subscribe yet.
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