Great news!! New book by Satoshi Kamiya

[andssl]

Regarding the pictures, I agree with you Bethnor. However, we know that it is not the first time that it happens...

[rdrutel]

You can delude all you want...and these guys deluded and diluted the contents of this book like a pub selling half and half. Deluding yourselves to think there is no way is a step towards mediocrity. No one got anywhere by not doing. The CP has been out for..I don't know...a year? Given the diagrams and pictures in the book, anyone who has drawn a diagram would say a month to do that is an overshot. If you want a feel for this book, go to that pub, buy a beer, and if it doesn't taste quite right...you'll know what I'm talking about.

[origamimasterjared]

Given the diagrams and pictures in the book, anyone who has drawn a diagram would say a month to do that is an overshot.

A month to do what, draw a diagram? Are you kidding?? Anyone who has ever drawn a high quality diagram will know that it really does take a very long time. If it takes a month to fold that thing, it probably takes 5 or more years to diagram it. And it would not be appreciated by most folk. People would complain about the 3D diagrams being confusing, despite really being perfect.

And the CP hadn't been out for any time. This is the first official release. It was displayed at a couple meetings/conventions, but it was never online or in print.

[bethnor]

You can delude all you want...and these guys deluded and diluted the contents of this book like a pub selling half and half. Deluding yourselves to think there is no way is a step towards mediocrity. No one got anywhere by not doing. The CP has been out for..I don't know...a year?

i'm not sure what you're trying to say. i didn't "delude" myself into thinking anything about this book. i was disappointed with the contents, but they were also very upfront about what was diagrammed inside and what wasn't. anyone who has shopped on OUSA or sasuga knows the vast majority of origami books are usually indecipherable with regards to contents. in this case, if you are so disappointed with the contents, the solution is easy: don't buy it. if you already bought it hoping there was some "hidden easter egg" and then was disappointed after the book arrived, i'm sorry, but you were deluding yourself.

with regards to the ryu-zin, there's just no way, especially with all the complaining round these parts about the "simplifying" of models, for that to realistically be diagrammed. the only way i could foresee that happening is diagramming of the head, claws, and tails, with the reader left to figure out the scales (like lang's koi). otherwise the "repeat steps x-y" would be innumerable and intolerable.

i guess i also am in the minority who just doesn't share the fascination with the model, and don't see diagrams for it as some kind of origami holy grail. visually, it's impressive, yes, but laying down an 80x80 grid and repeating 100s of scales doesn't sound fun... at all. not to mention finding a meter x meter square that you can do this with. it doesn't even seem challenging to me... historically, kamiya models are not that hard, just long-winded. many lang models are much harder (i still can't do the final in and out sink of the paper wasp on the abdomen after locking it).

[newbpcpfolder]

Nobody get your hopes up at all. If you speak Japanese then maybe it will help you out. As you see in those pictures, they are about 2 x 2 inches, low quality, black and white. They are on the book cover. The inner three pages have a few points from the cp detailed, nothing special at all. You could probably do better looking through blogs.

they are blurred because it is copyrighted material, and it will be clear in the book.

[andssl]

I believe that diagrams for the head will be ok, Hojyo made this for his shibaraku. But waiting diagrams for the whole thing is like a joke. There are many other interesting things to be diagramed by Kamiya besides ryu-jin. Precise diagrams for ryu-jin will be a thing of a good piece of his life, and I prefer that Kamiya design new things instead he stop in an unique design.

[newbpcpfolder]

I believe that diagrams for the head will be ok, Hojyo made this for his shibaraku. But waiting diagrams for the whole thing is like a joke. There are many other interesting things to be diagramed by Kamiya besides ryu-jin. Precise diagrams for ryu-jin will be a thing of a good piece of his life, and I prefer that Kamiya design new things instead he stop in an unique design.

Diagramming that would be the best thing he did in his life, but 'course, it's impossible, there may not even be a sequence for that model. There's a CP, right?try making that. but what bethnor said is mostly right(about ryuzin).
I cannot agree more. It may ake years to diagram if it takes a month to fold. Imagine just how much time bahamut and Ancient Dragon may have taken to diagram. not only that, the whole book. It may be a 10 times more than that.
but who would make a phoenix photodiagram anyway?maybe just progress photos like Kafar.
And sure there are more interesting things for him to diagram, like his Cyriopalus, Hercules Beetle, Phoenix, etc.
Anyway, on Kamiya's FAQ page, ther is a question, and here it is:(translated)
1.'s Favorite question from an origami creator:
Ryujin plans to break down the figure available?
Answer:
Unfortunately not.
If you draw a diagram if Ryujin fold, almost certainly will be more than 500 steps (and probably fall below 1000 would not.) The fine will be about 20 times the normal figure in the figure most complicated folded. The totals from here, you can expect it to be the workload of 10,000 minutes of work a normal step. In addition, the pace and try to draw a picture of the current fold which makes it take about 10 years to complete. This is probably an exaggeration to say that life.
So with that, no folding of Fig.

so that says it.

[BrooksHalten]

Great News!!!

I found a translator! They will be translations of the 3 pages on folding the ryu-jin 3.5 ONLY. I meet with the translator on thursday. If you want translations:

Send a picture of yourself (you don't have to show your face if you don't want to) holding the book. This is only to prove you own a copy of the book. Attach the picture to an e-mail and send to:

dpollman5@gmail(dot)com

[andssl]

newbpcpfolder, I said my opinion only, not my evaluement about what Kamiya must or must not diagram. Before saying your opinion, you must access Kamiya's site and read what he says on diagramming Ryu-Jin. Then, you will understand that Cp explanation was a great gift from Kamiya. At the present moment he does not want diagramm this model. He can make this choice, he is the creator. the choice of Kamiya, not our choice.

What I said it was: why must an origami artist stop in a sole creation if he can create more models? I prefer to have more models and I believe the origami community prefer more models too. But it was my opinion and, or course, you can disagree from it.

[newbpcpfolder]

newbpcpfolder, I said my opinion only, not my evaluement about what Kamiya must or must not diagram. Before saying your opinion, you must access Kamiya's site and read what he says on diagramming Ryu-Jin. Then, you will understand that Cp explanation was a great gift from Kamiya. At the present moment he does not want diagramm this model. He can make this choice, he is the creator. the choice of Kamiya, not our choice.

What I said it was: why must an origami artist stop in a sole creation if he can create more models? I prefer to have more models and I believe the origami community prefer more models too. But it was my opinion and, or course, you can disagree from it.

I don't understand a thing you're talking about. when did I disagree?that question and answer I posted there was from Kamiya's site.

[andssl]

newbpcpfolder, If we are not in disagreement, then, ok. No problem

[BrooksHalten]

Translations have been received by the translator, and it will be only a few days, or until she gets the free time. (a trade off for doing it for free )

The moment I get them, I'm sending them out to everyone.

[newbpcpfolder]

everyone?isn't it copyrighted material?

[origami_8]

newbpcpfolder read the whole topic, or at the least the last 5 posts.

[bethnor]

copyright aside, i can't imagine that those 3 pages of text will "reveal the secrets of the ryuzin," like some people seem to be hoping. i'd wager, in fact, that it will only help people who already have a good proficiency at cp.