MC - Methyl Cellulose

ccortner · Post by **ccortner** » December 8th, 2010, 2:16 am

I'd bet glass with lots of micro-scratches could cause this too. Anything that the MC could seep into might provide and area where the glass and paper are bonded. Do you use a scraper on the glass? Just ideas, hope you get it figured out

Sunburst · Post by **Sunburst** » December 10th, 2010, 5:41 pm

Just a small update of my results at making double tissue so far :

1rst attempt : Total failure
2nd attempt : Almost half of it looked like it could be used and the rest, like the first attempt. I'm slowly getting there.
3rd attempt : Tried on a small paper by applying MC on one sheet first and then on the second one (was doing it on both at the same time so far). and both came out very nice! I think one of my issues was that the MC didn't seep all the way through the paper.
4th attempt : Similar to 3rd attempt, but with a bigger paper. I tried diluting the MC a bit before applying it. I'm still getting a huge quantity of wrinkles in the same direction as my brushing.
5th attempt : Tried duo colored paper (black and white). The result was nice, but the white side appeared obviously more gray than white. I might try triple tissue to get a solid white color.
6th attempt : Like 4th attempt, but with a much larger sheet. I thought I was doing nicely, but 1 hour later, the paper was starting to peel of at one corner. 2 hours later, more than half of the paper had dried and the corner was peeling more and more. The final result was ok, but a large part of the corner had warped a bit. Really not sure what went wrong here. Maybe I diluted the MC too much? Also, still wrinkles everywhere.

This leads me to ask a couple of questions : is too diluted MC a cause for paper warping? how would one evaluate triple tissue? and if I want to apply the tissue paper with a cardboard roller (to reduce wrinkles), will the roller stick to the paper?

Froy · Post by **Froy** » December 10th, 2010, 5:50 pm

Have you tried ironing the paper after drying?

I read some where here that Origamido can be ironed to remove creases.

EDIT:

TERRY Nicolas wrote:Mickael Lafosse told me, indeed, with his origamido papers, you can fold completely a model, than unfold to obtain the square and remove all the creases putting the paper in water then dry it and ironing it.

I myself tried that for some origamido papers and it's work very well (but not add in water, just spray water).
So don't stress is you fail your folding sequence. You can start at the beginnning without wasting your precious paper.

Nicolas

ccortner · Post by **ccortner** » December 10th, 2010, 6:04 pm

I bought a very large brush last night and a vinyl veneer roller. The results were very good. The bush is about 7 inches across and 2 inches wide. It seems that with a large size, it's easier to brush out wrinkles. I think it's because the brushes larger contact area allows it to pull out the wrinkles without pulling on such a small area that it rips the paper. The veneer roller was AMAZING for taking out air bubbles. Couldn't find a single one left.

orislater · Post by **orislater** » December 10th, 2010, 7:54 pm

Dont use a foam roller!!!!! it sucks your paper up and rips it viciously!!!

shortloldude · Post by **shortloldude** » December 14th, 2010, 3:27 am

After more attempts at making double tissue than I would have liked, I think I finally found a way to not have my paper totally stuck to the glass. I painted some water over the paper first, then painted the MC over it. I was able to get it off the glass again, I will try this again and see if I get consistent results. It was just a very thin coat of water, I wet the paint brush I use, let the excess water drip off then coated the paper lightly. Thanks again for all the help I got in this thread, I hope this helps someone in the future.

JamesMunro · Post by **JamesMunro** » December 14th, 2010, 11:53 am

Are you certain that you are using pure MC? I had a batch of wallpaper paste that I (incorrectly) assumed was MC that I used to attempt to make some double tissue and all I managed to do was get some awful sheets that stuck directly to the glass.

I didn't realise at first that my wallpaper paste was not quite what I was meant to be using when I watched Sara Adams' video on the process of making double tissue, when she held up the little jar of her 'plaster' I realised I needed to go and buy something else as my paste was white and lumpy, nothing like what she was using.

I managed to find a pure MC (so no anti-fungal additions etc) wallpaper paste that has a completely differfent consistency when mixed with water. Ensure that you allow time for the MC to activate when mixing a batch. The paper now comes off of the glass with ease!

shortloldude · Post by **shortloldude** » December 14th, 2010, 6:05 pm

Thanks for the reply JamesMunro, the MC I bought is
http://www.amazon.com/Methyl-Cellulose- ... 039&sr=8-1

I am fairly certain it is just pure MC. The paste I make does not get white and lumpy, it is clear and smooth. Also, I do not know why I didn't think of this before, I use paper that doesn't bleed colors and the glass I make it on is not really glass, but a spare shatterproof window, perhaps one of those things could cause the sticking problem. Hopefully painting water over the paper first will continue to help.

JamesMunro · Post by **JamesMunro** » December 14th, 2010, 6:17 pm

Could it be that the surface that you are using is porous? That might have a negative effect when attempting to make double tissue paper. Can you try it on an actual window with a smaller piece of paper?

FrumiousBandersnatch · December 14th, 2010, 6:22 pm

ShortOldDude..the window is likely the culprit. I used to use plexiglass, but found that the paper would stick occasionally. I switched to an old glass top to a coffee table, and that worked just fine

Trouble · Post by **Trouble** » December 14th, 2010, 9:13 pm

if a corner coemes up just put some mc under it and press it down

Vkai · Post by **Vkai** » January 8th, 2011, 1:51 am

I have been trying to make perfect tissue/double tissue for few weeks now and finnaly i got it right.

I dont know if it has been mentioned in here but this method gives me perfect tissue [img]every%20time[/img]

I use walppaper glue.First i put glue on the table (so that tissue doesnt come of while drying-very important-without it tissue will come off fro corners or sides and crimple). Then roll tissue on a roller (or anything that is long enough and can roll) and roll it over the glue slowly removing air bubbles with hand and keeping it tense.Then put last bit of glue on the top and You're done.For double tissue just roll another tissue over it.

Maybe its obvious but it works wonders for me,finally i dont have to worry if the tissue will peel or rip in half,Ive made around 20 sheets of tissue/double tissue this way and didnt fail once yet.

!tyza!! · Post by **!tyza!!** » January 15th, 2011, 4:07 pm

I have used Spray Adhesive to make double tissue before, but it is virtually impossible to completely cover the tissue paper with glue. This results in double tissue with air pockets, and is pretty bad to fold with . . .unless you are desperate.

Vkai, how would you go about making a two coloured piece of double tissue?
would the colour from each overlap?

thanks, your testimonial is very helpful

. TJ Doherty

Pop pop · Post by **Pop pop** » January 17th, 2011, 6:00 am

so how do you mix Methyl Cellulose powder into paper

oz · Post by oz » January 17th, 2011, 9:20 am

Like like the Looney Tunes: Instant Martians, just add water.

Seriously, have you read through the topic? Click on the first page and just read through to here, it won't take you that long, and you'll have a great idea of how to make Methyl Cellulose work. If that's not enough, this topic is helpful too:

http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6418

My personal technique is to use a little hot water, mix it in thoroughly, and dump that into the rest of the room-temperature water, stirring it all in. That prevents lumps of the stuff from forming.