Origami... Intellectual Art ?

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Postby thedeadsmellbad » July 22nd, 2006, 8:12 am

Being male & having never met another folder, I'd say through my own experience origami is dominated by the male gender. But, the score is only 1-0.
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Postby Tjips » July 22nd, 2006, 1:30 pm

I read a qoute from one of the chess greats, I think it might have been Karpov, that read something like this:"Chess is intellectual acrobatics" Well I like to think that Origami is Geometric Gymnastics :D . Just the fact that Origami is so fundamentally rooted in mathematics prooves that mathematics can indeed be beautiful :-k . And creative :D
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Postby ~folder~of~paper~ » July 26th, 2006, 6:07 am

I had trouble finding this topic the other day so I posted whet I'm gonna post now. It's part of the article I used to prove to my Maths teacher Origami is mathematical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_origami


Take a look! If it convince a stubborn old maths teacher, it can convince anyone! :D
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Postby wolf » July 26th, 2006, 6:16 am

Right. So how many folders out there consciously think of the mathematics while folding a model?

You could just as well say that origami is materials science.
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Postby ~folder~of~paper~ » July 26th, 2006, 6:22 am

I suppose. But many models are based on proportion. Surely that's mathematical?
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Postby wolf » July 26th, 2006, 11:14 am

For living organisms, the reason for particular proportions can be traced back to evolutionary biology, biochemistry or straightforward physics.

Knitting is mathematical because the various different kinds of stitches have different symmetries, which would affect how different patterns get connected together.

Basically, with a bit of thought, it's possible to churn out as many 'X is Y because of Z' statements as you like, for almost every topic imaginable. :)
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Postby ~folder~of~paper~ » July 28th, 2006, 4:52 am

That's what I was going to say... :-s
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Postby Aznman » July 28th, 2006, 5:12 am

But it is true that many of the "innovative" folders use mathmatical equations and such to design their models. A lot of geometry is involved as well....Origami is constantly becoming a more mathmatical art, but as wolf said, that can almost be said of anything.....
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Postby Tjips » July 28th, 2006, 3:13 pm

Wait just a minute. I think you guys might have the cat by its tail. Origami isn't a mathematical art because their is math present, it is a mathematical art because math is inexstricably linked to the creational process. You use mainly mathematical principles throughout almost every design, some are just used more subconciously. Aznman, you are right, many folders use equations to find proportions or angle etc. in their designs, but these are only basic. The true art comes in the more subtle use of math in the creation of beauty in the model.

Wolf, anything and everything in our universe has math involded in it in some way, that is what makes it so elegant. The question is, is math a mere tool to the art or part of the beauty?

P.S. check out the umulius variation in my photos (signiture). It was made using pure math.
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Postby Cupcake » July 28th, 2006, 8:53 pm

I would say that the most noticable mathematical designs are modulars, because modulars are like fractions: pieces coming together to make a whole :D
Also, the mathematics in origami is what makes it one of the most magnificant (and one of the less popular, sadly :( ) forms of art!
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Postby wolf » July 29th, 2006, 1:15 am

Tjips wrote:...that is what makes it so elegant. The question is, is math a mere tool to the art or part of the beauty?...

Perhaps elegant in the days of crystal spheres, astronomical platonic solids, etc. The equations that govern the most basic physical phenomena are often anything but elegant - intractable recursive terms, multiple singularities waiting to trip you up, expressions and equations that need to be evaluated and solved for numerically, and even those are approximations. Using a computer to calculate the path of an electron through a solid isn't elegant, but making one with your hands and actually seeing it work is pretty darned cool.
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Postby ~folder~of~paper~ » July 29th, 2006, 6:09 am

I agree with cupcake. Modulars are the most mathematical form of origami. But the x is y because of z theory can apply to anything. Modulars are mathematical because it comes together, like the net of a shape but other elements of folding like pureland models rely on other types of mathematics...
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Postby ~folder~of~paper~ » July 31st, 2006, 3:43 am

I found another site, http://www.paperfolding.com/math/.
I have to try this one on my other maths teacher now... :wink:
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Re: Origami... Intellectual Art ?

Postby Andre-4 » December 30th, 2017, 10:12 pm

Just because rubbing two twigs together makes firewood doesnt mean we should...Wood ...the pulp of which paper is made from has an element in Chinese astrology .It is taken as seriously as Greeks take pagan myths...Just because it uses plot lines and algebra doesn't mean it's going to manifest riches or aid the folder with magic...
It is simply art ...fundamentally and often an author dies before his creation is appreciated by the general populace...and I agree forums are very clique they are not going to help a damsel in distress but others get plenty of response
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Re: Origami... Intellectual Art ?

Postby Pseudopod » January 15th, 2018, 8:05 am

I see origami as a form of applied geometry. Mathematics is at the core of the art by its very nature.

This not only the mathematically inclined enjoy origami, I think they are more likely to be attracted to origami in the first place. Mathematical inclination does make it easier to understand origami design principles, so many of the best designers are going to also be skilled at mathematics. I do think you can be a good folder while not having an understanding of the math behind it, though. And there are gorgeous, simple models out there that do not require deep mathematical understanding to design, but show off the paper's beauty and the artistic skills it takes to sculpt it. I find models like that just as impressive as technical origami.

I am a female folder myself and have not met any others. I'm not an amazing designer or anything but I do like folding complex origami.
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