Elmer's Glue on Double Tissue

[Life is Origami]

I really don't know where to get MC powder to make MC, the way described in Advanced Origami by Michael LaFosse. Instead I use Elmer's All-Purpose White Glue watered down. I know that MC isn't great for tissue foil and MC is better for double tissue but is my solution okay to use? When I make it, it comes out with a bunch of wrinkles. It's probably from my brush, I guess. It's not the softest brush I have. Is Elmer's glue okay for double tissue? Also, when folding insects, my solution treated with a SINGLE sheet of tissue paper, okay?

[roodborst]

White glue usually only works when making tissue foil. You can buy wallpaper paste, (not that expansive for making single or double tissue)

[al-black]

Fwiw, my guess is that you can find mc if you dig a bit, both on the internet or at your local stores. Amazon, for example sells it.

Now elmers white glue might work, and there's no harm in trying, other than getting a little frustrated. Necessity is the mother of invention. That said, there may be a reason why people like Lafosse recommend and give instructions for using it. In the long run it might be worth you putting the effort into it.

2 cents...

al

[wriggles]

I don't know if you're reading your own threads but I already mentioned elmers paper mache glue ("art paste") is methyl cellulose powder.
Here's the documents to prove it: https://store.schoolspecialty.com/OA_HT ... me=G616833
If you have access to elmers white glue you should be able to get a box of that stuff for $5 or less, and it'll last a lot longer than you think.

[Life is Origami]

I'm sorry wriggles but I didn't see any topics focusing mainly on this. Anyway, thanks for finding that PDF. I wanted to know if papier-mache glue had any MC in it. I've already verified that wallpaper paste had MC. Here it is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallpaper_paste. I going to check which is cheaper.

[Eamon]

I use elmer's glue for double tissue! I use about a 1:4 glue water ratio and its worked out okay for me. If you can find a brand of tissue paper that holds up okay when its pretty wet you can make it smooth by using a lot of solution. it makes a layer of water between the sheets so you can just tug at the paper to remove the wrinkles. so far I have not had it stick to the surface I make it on. All below are made from unryu or tissue and PVA (white glue)








(This lobster came out okay from a single sheet with white glue so I think a single sheet would work


I've had some brands of tissue get stuck to the surface but that is mostly from using a solution too concentrated with glue.

[Life is Origami]

That's weird Earmon, because one of the posts of read on this forum says that the person uses 1:8 glue water ratio and I followed that. Today, I made double tissue, which turned out awesome to fold the Roosevelt Elk by Robert Lang. The only problem was that it stuck to the glass very strongly and it became difficult to peel it off the glass. When I finished peeling it off, several tears had formed on the sides of the paper. Do you know what to do? Should I change the ratio or what?

[Eamon]

To be honest I get tearing too. What helps though is to use something flexible to make the paper on. I use the back of a laminated map since its big and waterproof. to help not get tears I bend the map where the corner of the double tissue is which should unstick the paper's from the map. then unstick the edge of the paper to an adjacent corner. if you peel holding two corners its not gonna tear so often. other than that just going slow helps too. hope this helped

[Life is Origami]

To be honest I get tearing too. What helps though is to use something flexible to make the paper on. I use the back of a laminated map since its big and waterproof. to help not get tears I bend the map where the corner of the double tissue is which should unstick the paper's from the map. then unstick the edge of the paper to an adjacent corner. if you peel holding two corners its not gonna tear so often. other than that just going slow helps too. hope this helped

Thanks. I was going to make some double tissue just before I saw this.

[Eamon]

you're welcome! I hope this helped

[Life is Origami]

I made some double tissue yesterday using a laminated map instead of glass, like you suggested. When I peeled it off, the side that was on the map was smooth and glossy and the side that wasn't on the map wasn't glossy. does this happen to you. It used to happen to me when I used a plastic cover from a picture frame. Whenever I made it on glass, both sides were equally smooth and there was less wrinkles. On the map and plastic picture frame, double tissue came out with many wrinkles. Do you know what's happening or should I just use glass and MC?

[Eamon]

From what I've read the glossiness is normal. As for the wrinklyness, using the glue solution VERY liberally really helps. I'm talking like dumping it on. If its wet enough There will be a layer of glue between the tissues so you can just sorta slide out all the wrinkles. after I smooth all the wrinkles whit my hands I take a soft wash class and very gently dab out all the excess glue solution. and for what it's worth I could never smooth out the yellow tissue paper without tearing it I hope this helps, but if not the decision of whether or not no wrinkles/no glossiness or ease of peeling off is prioritized is up to you. For reference here are two sheets I just made

http://i.imgur.com/VrVDGxH.jpg
This one came out completely smooth with the method I described above

http://i.imgur.com/ArQN0zX.jpg
Since this is a yellow/orange combination it ended up kinda wrinkled (because the yellow like I mentioned)

Sorry I couldn't,t embed the images they are too big
And sorry for crap quality pics

[Life is Origami]

I really don't think the color of the paper affects its ability to not tear. And if it does, you could just paint the tissue paper yellow with acrylic paint, Earmon. I'm pretty sure that the tearing is because you're smoothing the wrinkles with a lot of pressure. I use a brush to smooth it. Sadly, I have no large natural bristle brushes (synthetic bristle brushes are too rough on tissue paper.) The largest natural bristle brush I have is only 2 cm wide. Anyway, I plan to get a larger brush. I lightly brush out the bubbles but I can never get rid of those wrinkles.

I made some double tissue yesterday. Weirdly, one side wasn't very shiny. The paper was soft and not crisp. It folded like a thicker version of tissue paper The layers were coming apart on the sides so I put Elmer's glue with water on it and let it dry hanging in the air . The sides dried and were more crisp than the rest of the paper. The only thing I did differently was let the paper dry vertically in the air when I applied glue to the layers when I made the double tissue. What should I do?

[FoldSkate]

It sounds like your problem is that your Elmers Glue solution is too weak. Try adding more Elmers glue and see if that helps!