Satoshi Kamiya - Phoenix 3.5 (CP)

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Postby !tyza!! » May 14th, 2008, 7:12 am

there was once a link posted on one of the forums showing where to get instructions for phoenix 3.0, but it was removed. This link is legal and the diagrams were not copywrited as it was a personal interpretation of satoshi kamiya's crease pattern not daigrammed by him.
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Postby Joseph Wu » May 14th, 2008, 7:45 am

Your definition of "legal" is suspect. Certainly your sense of ethics is questionable. So far, I don't know of anyone that has Kamiya's permission to distribute his crease patterns or to make a "personal interpretation" of his work. Unless you can show permission from Kamiya-san to do these things, don't post them here.
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Postby !tyza!! » May 14th, 2008, 8:09 am

thanks Joseph.
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Postby !tyza!! » May 14th, 2008, 8:16 am

but if that is the case, then how can klnothincomin post that interpretation of a crease pattern by kevin luo that is not said to exist on kamiya-san's website?
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Postby Joseph Wu » May 14th, 2008, 8:43 am

Because, unlike you, he doesn't listen. I did tell him to ask permission from Kamiya...and he didn't. I suppose I should kill this thread, huh? ;)
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Postby JeossMayhem » May 14th, 2008, 9:03 am

I don't really know what to think... The CP was uploaded on his site, thought it wasn't displayed. I think it was dug out, unexpectedly, but I'm not sure. So whoever nabbed it didn't exaclty have his permission thought it was "displayed" to a certain extent. Displayed on the internet, which is a lot different from being displayed privately.

And then since the CP is now in everybody's hands, it's hard to justify why we shouldn't make a walkthrough for it like many of the other works on the forum (which has problems on it's own since many people get the displayed CPs that others probably had to pay for)...

It would be nice is help such as CP solutions could be given privately, but we'd have to have absolute trust in the person requiring help to also keep it private from others. There are methods that are better than the ones we employ now but not by much.

Darwinit, the rambling stops now. But my point is that because he put the CP on the net, it's at least partially his fault it's being duped...
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Postby Joseph Wu » May 14th, 2008, 1:48 pm

Since he's on the Net, it should be easy enough to email him and ask his permission, no?
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Postby angrydemon » May 14th, 2008, 3:07 pm

!tyza!! wrote:there was once a link posted on one of the forums showing where to get instructions for phoenix 3.0, but it was removed. This link is legal and the diagrams were not copywrited as it was a personal interpretation of satoshi kamiya's crease pattern not daigrammed by him.


Yes, I remember that link. I was browsing the forums the moment it was posted. I quickly downloaded it into my computer and printed the diagrams out, right before the link is removed. Should I burn them and erase my memory or something?
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Postby !tyza!! » May 16th, 2008, 6:11 am

. duh! do not in any way endorce selling or distribution of the diagram
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Postby Terranova » May 23rd, 2008, 3:08 am

Going to temporarily ignore the legal jargon for the sake of my brain cell.

For some reason, when I try to crease the tenth step, the resulting increment between the 1/3 crease made in step 1 and step 10 is half of what it should be. What am I doing wrong?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/Terranova7/Untitled-1.jpg

Thanks in advance! :mrgreen:

P.S. Sorry for the huge image size >.<

Moderator note: changed image to link because of big size
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Postby origamimasterjared » May 23rd, 2008, 4:59 am

According to this diagram, you should be folding the bottom (36/36) to 13/36. This will NOT be on an exact 36th (24.5/36). So, Terranova, you are correct.

If you fold it up to the line below that (14/36), you will get a crease on 25/36, which is what you want.
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Postby Terranova » May 23rd, 2008, 9:05 pm

Yay, I'm not going insane. Thanks for the proof and the tip :D
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Postby chesslo » May 23rd, 2008, 10:13 pm

ya, i got stuck on it for a while, but i got though it thinking there was mistake in the diagram
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Postby chocochip » July 26th, 2008, 2:18 am

thanks to the cp solution kevin made i made the phoenix
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Postby takwing » August 1st, 2008, 5:00 pm

I have revised the CP (by drawing it again).

It is now available for download (in jpeg and adobe illustrator format)
from my site:

http://www.takwing.idv.hk/origami/index.html

(The site is displaying in both English and Chinese.... I am too lazy to provide 2 separate version of my site.)

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