Okay AngryDemon, I'm sorry. I was frustrated because your comment made me feel like me printing out the cp and folding that was the stupidest thing ever done in the history of origami, and I kept on trying to tell you that I wasn't folding the final product, I was just getting a feel for the base. I'm sorry that I did ask clearly and that I was ill tempered with you. Thank you Karfar for the picture it does help a lot now that I have that available. And no AngryDemon, I'm not going to beg you for picture diagrams, but if you want to that might help!

And was it Hank? you where right about that part, I am usually good with other cps and stuff, but this one cp has got me, so I did all I could to find out. BUt all the info didn't click for me like it might have for all you other people, so I was my immature self and kept bugging for answers. Thank you people who helped me with my issue, I'm almost done collapsing my first base of this phoenix, and actually AngryDemon, I don't need tweezers to fold the base for the head. Oh and just a thought, I noticed that you sounded a little angry with your last post, and I've got to say, it fits your name well!

but no hard feelings to you! Oh, and to finish up, whoever posted that tid-bit about me saying you and guys, No that's not what I thought, I've been with other forums before and I ment you and guys as everyone thyat's reading the forum, but that would be nice to have a panel of people at the ready for me! just kidding

THanks!
I'm pretty sure there is more to life than folding origami, and I plan on finding out what that is if I grow up.