Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby Trouble » May 23rd, 2012, 1:47 am

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Postby bethnor » May 23rd, 2012, 3:48 am

youdougit wrote:on step 83 do you collapse both layers on the top or just one?


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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby kowal » November 4th, 2012, 1:03 am

I've made a video of folding the ancient dragon...
but don't think it's a guide ;) it's a speed up folding video
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Help on step 93/80

Postby maurg » November 4th, 2012, 10:49 pm

Not sure what i'm doing wrong but i was trying to do step 93 when i saw that my model was locked and as such i could not do it. After a bit of reverse engineering i figured my problem is probably with what i've done at step 80, I sinked the whole thing. Now i'm thinking that maybe i should've kept the fold done at step 78, but i'm not managing to do it :oops:

Can anyone confirm, give a hint or maybe a picture of the inside of the model after step 80?

Thanks a lot in advance.

EDIT: Nevermind, done it. It seems all i needed was a night's sleep and some time away.
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby Palan » June 24th, 2013, 10:02 pm

Hello !
I started doing the ancient dragon and I'm having troubles for the step 115.
I folded the part ahead but when I tried to fold the back, it didn't work. I don't have any corner, so I can't squash it... :? I think maybe the problem comes from the fold of the top part.
So it will be nice if you could help me. Maybe someone already had this problem before.
Thanks in advance. ;D
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby satoshifan » June 25th, 2013, 3:35 pm

Step 115 says repeat 105-114 on the next layer. Where exactly are you having trouble (you are folding out of works of Satoshi Kamiya 1993-2003 right?)

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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby Palan » June 25th, 2013, 7:59 pm

I'm folding the model of the book "works of Satoshi Kamiya" 1995-2003.
I just don't have the same thing on the other layer. I should have a corner but I don't have one. Maybe the problem comes from an old sink fold that I didn't do the right way.

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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby machina » June 27th, 2013, 2:01 am

From memory that normally occurs if you did a (semi-)closed sink instead of an open one around step 85. It is important that the model is opened fully for that sink otherwise paper will be trapped later
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby Palan » June 27th, 2013, 8:56 pm

I watched some videos on it and restarted it. I don't have any problem anymore. In fact, you're right, it came from the sink fold that I didn't opened right.
I can now continue this dragon !! (i hope i won't have problems anymore...)

Thanks for helping me !! ;D
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby CurtisB » May 18th, 2015, 10:18 am

If anyone can help me understand the correct method for the open sinks on step 85 -86 that would be awesome... That step is killing me..
I've tried these steps many times and can't figure out how to sink the paper properly, any help will be much appreciated.

Sinking incorrectly interferes with the steps following 135... I really hope someone can help me figure this out
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I realize there usd to be photo tutorials on the first page, but all of the photos are now gone..
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby bethnor » May 20th, 2015, 4:59 am

i'm not sure what you mean, as steps 85-6 has nothing to do with 135.

regardless, it can be hard to do 85-6, particularly if you are using a foil-based medium, because there is no obvious way to spread the layers to do a clean open sink--this is probably the hardest step in the model. if you have a long, blunt object, such as a chopstick, you can introduce it into the hole in the opposite side of the model to see if you can spread the appropriate layers. it's still hard to do, because the model does not open completely, but it helps. it doesn't have to be perfect as this is the underside of the model.
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby oz » May 20th, 2015, 6:48 am

Steps 85/86 are the exact same concept as step 76. Remember this is an OPEN sink. Treat the outer layers as one layer so that the outer half-layer just wraps inside. Hopefully this makes sense. What @bethnor said is pretty much it, unless you want to unfold a good portion of the model to get that perfect wrinkle-less open sink.

When I read your request, I started folding the dragon with kami so that I could get you some good photographs, but kami is an absolutely terrible paper for this model and it ripped itself to shreds with the sinks and whatnot...not good for pictures. #-o Then, right as I was going to post this, I realized that I had a half-finished dragon lying around...somewhere. I found it, so here you go:

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Hopefully something here helps, even though it's after the step. If you want a different shot or angle, let me know and I'll take another picture for you.
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby CurtisB » June 12th, 2015, 8:49 am

bethnor wrote:i'm not sure what you mean, as steps 85-6 has nothing to do with 135.

regardless, it can be hard to do 85-6, particularly if you are using a foil-based medium, because there is no obvious way to spread the layers to do a clean open sink--this is probably the hardest step in the model. if you have a long, blunt object, such as a chopstick, you can introduce it into the hole in the opposite side of the model to see if you can spread the appropriate layers. it's still hard to do, because the model does not open completely, but it helps. it doesn't have to be perfect as this is the underside of the model.


I did 85 incorrectly due to a bad video tutorial on youtube, i was overthinking things but now i understand everything , i think i need a large square of origamido because the model becomes extremely thick when crimping the neck and legs..
ImageAncient dragon almost good by Curtis Broadie, on Flickr
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby bethnor » June 14th, 2015, 9:39 am

origamido at its largest is 16". since it comes with deckle edges, your square will likely be slightly smaller than that.

you would have better luck with ogami paper if you insist on something expensive. the cost is comparable, and you will get a 50 cm square guaranteed (slightly larger).

if you are experienced with mc, hanji can be used, and usually comes in widths allowing for 63 cm.

alufoil comes in 26" rolls and is adequate, with all the cons of a paper-backed foil medium.

the largest available is probably fadeless art rolls. i've never tried them myself. just thinking about cutting a decent square from 48" gives me headaches.
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Re: Satoshi Kamiya - Ancient Dragon

Postby isi » August 16th, 2016, 8:02 pm

Hi guys, how long did it take you to be able to fold the ancient dragon?
It's my ultimate goal and I want to know kind of how much I need to practise before I can fold it

PS: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong thread, I'm new to the forum


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