Predator

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 19th, 2006, 12:33 am

Well, after designing my own version of the alien (from similarly titled movie), and seeing over six other designs for an alien, on the internet, I decided that I wanted to design the Predator. I've been trying, for the last couple of days. Problem is, I have absolutely no idea how to get it to work. Does anyone know of a good existing base or a method for producing a base, that will work well for a humanoid frame with MANY points on the head (dreadlocks, mandibles), and the ability to form fingers and toes?

I've tried making my own, but I'm at a standstill. I really want to make this, whether I design all of this, or not.

Cupcake · Post by **Cupcake** » September 19th, 2006, 12:46 am

Hmm... Daydreamers diagrams for the greiver seem something like a predator, but it would take a lot of editing. (Wings, dreadlocks)

PS: I've even found a good picture to help you design (which includes a variety of different weapons)

origamimasterjared · September 19th, 2006, 5:28 am

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say:

Hi Derek, welcome to the Origami Forum.

Have you folded Satoshi Kamiya's Ancient Dragon? You can probably get some kind of a head based on it

(just the head)

There's also Hojyo's General Basara:
http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~origami/shasin/ ... asara1.htm

Satoshi Kamiya's Angel:
http://www.folders.jp/g/2000/kourin.html

Joseph Wu has some great multi-piece stuff too, that may help you get that armor feel.

Good luck!

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 19th, 2006, 5:37 pm

yep, it's me.

I tried figuring out a way to make it out of one piece, but it is quickly seeming like it is just beyond my designing ability to do. So, I've decided that I'll probably just make it out of a few pieces. At this point, I don't really care if it's out of one piece or not, I just want a friggin' paper predator.

So, I've been working on making modules for it. I'm trying to look at the bright side of making it out of multiple pieces. If I make it out of multiple pieces, I can make it so you can change out some of his gear (mask, weapons, pose, etc) and that's fine with me. Plus, I can make it in more detail, than I would have otherwise.

It basically just ended up being too many points on the head for me to comprehend designing it. I figured out that I would have had to make no less than 12 points on his head alone.

Then figure in arms, legs, cannon, fingers and toes, and my head exploded. So, I should be able to turn out a multi-piece model by the end of the week, maybe I'll try it out of one peice, in the future.

Post by **origami_8** » September 19th, 2006, 6:39 pm

We have some good topics about origami design on this Forum (use the search function to find them) and a must have read book on this subject is Robert Langs "Origami Design Secrets".
If you just want a ready to use base, try to design your own with LangÂ´s Treemaker program (somewhere on his website http://langorigami.com) or alternative read through Eileen TanÂ´s great blog to get a lecture about boxpleating in Origami. There you can learn such things like how you can easily include fingers, toes,... into your model.

Good luck and I hope that you will post photos soon

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 19th, 2006, 10:54 pm

Thanks everyone for the help.

Origami_8- Thank you for the links to hte sites. I have thought about buying Lang's book, but do not have enough money.

Eileen Tan's site cleared alot of things up for me, though. I actually think I may be able to make the model out of one piece of paper, now. I'm going to give it one more shot, and see how it turns out. If I can't get it to work, I'll just try using multiple sheets. I've still got my "refined" alien to work on too.

After I finish this, I'm going to start a new project, suggested to me by a friend: samurai abe lincoln (aka Wayne Gretzky) of Aqua Teen Hungerforce fame. If Meatwad can make it out of himself, I think I should be able to out of paper. I'll keep you posted on how the Pred is going.

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 20th, 2006, 10:20 pm

Allright, I looked through Eileen Tan's website for a while, found a free cad program on the internet, and tried working on a Crease Pattern. After much frustration, and more than a few changes, I think I may have found something that works. However, this is my first time designing anything, by setting up a crease pattern, and I wanted to make sure there aren't any major flaws in it. If someone here, who's good at making cp's can look at it, I would really appriciate it. Here's an image of the cp:

[img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c230/ ... rcpvs1.jpg[/img]

origamimasterjared · September 20th, 2006, 10:40 pm

I only saw a few obvious flaws, which I've circled. And one I missed, four creases below the lowest circle.

[img]http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6642 ... orskt3.jpg[/img]

Two laws of flat-foldable crease patterns are that at any interior crease intersection:

1) The difference between the number mountain and valley folds must be 2. What immediately follows is that there must be an even number of creases at any point.

2) The alternating angles must add up to 180 degrees. Again, you must have two sets of alternating angles, so you need an even number of angles.

There are other questionable choices (in the fingers and toes it seems they are all folded in), but these are the only glaring errors I saw.

But I ain't gonna test-fold it for ya. I hate box-pleating.

Good luck!

wolf · Post by **wolf** » September 21st, 2006, 12:11 am

The central region, particularly where the 6x6 squares are, is going to be a major pain to collapse.

Don't focus too much on the actual creases themselves - they're drawn in according to rules, and human error will inevitably creep in, but in reality you can pretty much ignore them when you're collapsing the CP. Just concentrate on getting a base with the desired flap length and placement, and you'll find that the creases fall into place by themselves.

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 21st, 2006, 12:25 am

Thanks Jared, I think I fixed them. I'm going to give it a shot tonight.

Yeah, I didn't really try to make it as efficient as possible. I just followed Eileen's design for human with toes, added in the necessary areas for the mouth and dreadlocks, and resized it to square. I made some really big tissue foil, so I think it'll be fine, as far as thickness and size. Besides, you don't want the Predator to be too thin, do you?

All give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, well, then I'll probably need your help again.

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 21st, 2006, 4:04 am

Well, I tried it with one sheet. Not a good experience. One of those times that you really take a look at your life and think....

So, I'm giving up trying to make it out of one piece. I'm just going to go back to a multi piece model. However, this experience did give me good experience with cp's and design. So, I'm optimistic in the future. Plus, I'm pretty sure that with all the trouble I had just trying to collapse the cp, the model would have turned out pretty ugly anyways. Thanks for the help everyone, I'll still post the picture, when it's done.

Aznman · Post by **Aznman** » September 21st, 2006, 7:00 pm

Here is my submission...

I don't really think that this model captures the feirceness of the real prediter

but oh well, this was my first test fold, and the first complex model I tried to design.

I think I will try to redesign this model with fingers and toes. I am also going to shrink the head wich, as of now, takes up more than a fourth of the paper, it was thick...I had a million points in the head, and it was a pain to collapse. I think there only needs to be about eight points for hair.

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 22nd, 2006, 2:00 am

Nice, did you use my cp?

I finalized my design of the head, today, with notebook paper, and yes, it does look alot better with a few (I used 6) longer dreadlocks. It just bunches up too much, otherwise. I'm going to design and do a test fold body tonight, and if it works out well, I'll probably have pix posted of the final model, by next week.

I'd love to see other people's designs for the Predator, too. I think it's one of the most underused subjects, in the pop-culture section of origami. Lots of points on the head, and asymetry with the cannon, makes it a pretty challenging subject.

Aznman · Post by **Aznman** » September 22nd, 2006, 2:43 am

No, I did not fold it from your CP. I designed this one, (I'm not so proud to admit that though

) I make it a point not to fold untested CP's .....

zerobar · Post by **zerobar** » September 22nd, 2006, 3:02 am

Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't know if I'll even try it.

At least until I'm sure I'm not going to go postal, when it goes horribly wrong.