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Ancient Dragon

Postby origamibrent814 » August 25th, 2006, 4:32 pm

I am getting Satoshi Kamiya's book and I can't wait to make the Ancient Dragon. I want to ask those who have finished it what kind of paper they suggest I use for my first attempt, How big, and Where to get it in the U.S.


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Postby Wordgames » August 25th, 2006, 7:14 pm

Basically the largest, strongest piece of paper you can lay your hands on.

Chances are it will have to be one of those DIY jobs, that said I have seen one made from gift-wrap!

If it wasn’t so time intensive there is probably a market for Pre-MC-foil backed-tissue foil or such within the origami community... any entrepreneurs around ;)
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Postby Aznman » August 25th, 2006, 7:37 pm

Well, I have always used tissue foil. the first time I folded it was with 12 inch foil....too small for good details. the next time I glued two sheets of foil together which worked alot better, I don't know what the size was exactly, but I think it was around 50 CM (recomended starting size).

To Wordgames: I have always thought that there would be a market for pre-sized paper, tissue foil, and the like. As you said though, it does take a while to make each sheet so pricing would be high. Everybody can make their own anyway....but there might be some who would buy alot at once because they are to lazy :)
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Postby rockmanex6 » August 29th, 2006, 12:27 am

you should use special good handmake paper not the foil (you know?)
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Postby eric_son » August 29th, 2006, 4:14 am

For your first attempt, use the biggest sheet of paper you can find.
Giftwrap should be perfect.

I only got 1 tear while doing the head portion....nasty!
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Postby nvadragon » September 6th, 2006, 3:27 pm

can you share me this diagram (ancient dragon)
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Postby Joseph Wu » September 6th, 2006, 4:20 pm

nvadragon wrote:can you share me this diagram(ancient dragon)

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Postby rockmanex6 » September 6th, 2006, 6:10 pm

The kamiya work book it possible by here
http://www.origamihouse.jp/book/origina ... amiya.html

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Postby Morgan » September 6th, 2006, 8:18 pm

sometimes i have my reservations about paying (to clarify the alternative, check out of library) for diagrams, especially for books that will only get read once... but kamiya's work is well deserved to be payed for. (hehe even if the common mortal cannot complete the whole thing :) )

and rockman .. i agree, handmade paper is the way to go.. it seems that while tissue foil is easy to fold and retains shape etc, i've never liked the way a model looks with that material. it just is complex with no soul almost. and it is almost "too" easy to use (not to say anyone who uses it is wrong)

it just doesnt have the same character as other papers

now.. lets see who can take a roll of carpet and make a gigantic origami ancient dragon... that would be crazyness
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Postby polop » September 6th, 2006, 10:10 pm

I am almost all the way through the dragon (about to start the legs) and it seems to turn out so much smaller than I expected. I am using a large sheet (65cm) of hand made washi. I recommend something on the lines of this paper because all the other papers I have used I faled on the ultra fiddley head section, which I have already done on this attempt. wooo :D
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Postby BigFIFan » January 31st, 2007, 3:29 am

I'm headed to the art store tomorrow. Can anybody recommend good paper types and sizes I should use for this dragon?
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Postby dogs rock012 » June 15th, 2007, 10:17 pm

I suggest that you use big paper (unless you want your dragon to be small) and by using big paper it is easier to add details and make the model. You should use thin paper but not to thin that it rips because that causes disaster. You should get alot of paper because you are probaly not going to make this dragon in one try and you probaly don't want to go to the art store every try.

Good luck!
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Postby MrBluePie » June 15th, 2007, 10:28 pm

polop wrote:I am almost all the way through the dragon (about to start the legs) and it seems to turn out so much smaller than I expected. I am using a large sheet (65cm) of hand made washi. I recommend something on the lines of this paper because all the other papers I have used I faled on the ultra fiddley head section, which I have already done on this attempt. wooo :D


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Postby 4sigma » June 17th, 2007, 10:15 am

In theory, you make washi from various bark fibers that are stripped, bleached, boiled in dye, etc. In practice, you buy washi from an art store, perhaps online.

For the ancient dragon, I agree with those who said earlier that you want the largest, strongest piece of paper you can get your hands on. Certainly don't start with anything like kami or even 9" japanese foil.

Gift wrap paper might turn out a finished model that resembles the picture in the book, if you use a large piece and are very skilled and patient. And careful not to tear it. (My first attempt with a 15" square of foil-backed wrapping paper ended in shredded frustration somewhere around step 180. Even if I'd been more careful, the final model would probably not have held its form well.)

Tissue foil or a good quality handmade paper are most likely to yield a satisfying result. My second and third attempts used 18" tissue foil and turned out adequate.

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Postby MrBluePie » June 18th, 2007, 11:14 pm

I just attempted this using my own tissue foil, and let's say, don't waste your time with the tissue foil. All of the precreasing was completely useless cause by the time I started folding, all of the creases I needed were pressed out from other creases. Spent an hour on that thing too :(
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