What does everybody do with their creations?

Post by **origami_8** » June 25th, 2005, 8:18 pm

He has his own homepage, so maybe you could ask him:
http://www.origami-live.de

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 25th, 2005, 8:43 pm

Oh, so then he really isn't homeless. A homeless person could not afford a website.

Maybe it is our definitions of the word homeless that is not identical.

When I say the word homeless. I am speaking of people who live in the streets because there is no place left for them to live. They are reduced to eating out of trash-cans. They are wearing clothes that are ready for the trash-can, but they have to wear them because they have nothing else to wear.

The only possible explaination is that there are special programs for the homeless that he is involved in, which may have granted him certain privileges.

We have those kind of programs here. However, we have far more homeless people than space available in these programs.

Post by **TheRealChris** » June 25th, 2005, 8:50 pm

Oh, so then he really isn't homeless. A homeless person could not afford a website.

he lives in the woods. in fact it's quite hard to contact him. sometimes he lives with friends and in the winter he is living in Chile

the best way to contact him, seems to be a phonecall with his mother. this may have changed with the email adress.
maybe the page was made by somebody else. Stefan could check his account in internet cafes.
there's no doubt, that he has no home.

Christian

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 25th, 2005, 8:56 pm

Well, now with that responce I have tons of more questions. However, I don't want to tie up the forum with a discussion about this persons personal choices. I think it is best if I take my questions to his website.

Do you think he will get mad if I ask?

Joseph Wu · Post by **Joseph Wu** » June 25th, 2005, 9:03 pm

There are many creative people who choose such a "homeless" life. The Oscar award winning animated short film Ryan talks about the life of one such person. In the origami world, Chris Palmer has spent time living in such places as a cave in Spain and a cabin in the woods in the USA.

Even non-artistic people sometimes choose a homeless lifestyle. There are some here in Vancouver who do so well panhandling that they can afford designer clothing. They may have no fixed address nor do they have a "real" job, but they do quite well.

Don't let your narrow definitions blind you to the reality of other people's situations.

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 25th, 2005, 9:55 pm

Don't let your narrow definitions blind you to the reality of other people's situations.

That is true. I can't say that I am ingnorant of other motives for a homeless life. I just didn't want to assume the worse about somebody.

However, we have that here to. Some really like the homeles life. Others suffer greatly from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and elect to live a life in the wilderness; usually because they feel they have become too dangerous to be around people.

Frankly, I would not care for it. I have Champagne and Caviar taste, and when I can afford it, I live that way. I would not even work in the yard. If somebody told me I would have to live in the woods I would of had a nervous breakdown.

Post by **TheRealChris** » June 25th, 2005, 10:09 pm

you should not get dazzled by the fact, that Stefan is homeless. he spends his winters in Chile, where he is also running a guitar production. and I heard, that he lately had build a small hotel there

the people pay up to 40 euros for a big bull... he's surely no poor man... at least not a kind of wino, what you probably may have expected

Christian

malachi · Post by **malachi** » June 25th, 2005, 10:19 pm

Today I did something different with some of my stuff. I gave several things to a library to be put on display.

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 25th, 2005, 10:24 pm

TheRealChris,

Now it all comes together. Yeah, I was thinking of a poverty stricken person who was down on their luck, and had nothing left but the streets.

You have now just described a well to do person, who simply prefers to live off the land. Now it all makes since. I knew there were people like that, I just never knew of one personally. So, I was assuming such a person was not a very common one, and the likelihood of me meeting or knowing of one would be too rare to be possible.

Boy was I wrong!

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 25th, 2005, 10:28 pm

malachi,

Now that sounds like an interesting idea. How was this arranged? I'm not trying to be nosey, I'm just wanting to know how I would go about doing that the right way.

malachi · Post by **malachi** » June 25th, 2005, 10:50 pm

Well, my situation is special because I have gone to that library and taught kids origami last summer and this summer. This time, the librarian mentioned that she recently got two display cases, and asked me to leave anything extra that I made while teaching that I didn't want. Instead, I took a bunch of more interesting things for her to use however she wants.

I'm sure you could work out something with your local library, either as a minor art display, or as sort of a cross promotion of either the library's origami books displayed with some models in those books, or a children's book about 1,000 cranes displayed with a few dozen such cranes, etc.

If you're really interested in doing that sort of thing, I'd recommend contacting your local librarian and talking to them about what they would be interested in.

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 25th, 2005, 11:31 pm

malachi,

Well, it sounds like you were in a position to make that happen. I am in no such position, and teaching a class would not be one of my strengths.

I have come up with an idea. I thought of depositing one anywhere with a small card describing the therapeutic benefits of origami. You never know when somebody could benefit from this type of therapy. This way my creations have some good use, somebody would learn that there is an art called origami, and they would learn what the benefits of origami are. They just might be in need of such a therapy, or know somebody who does.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » June 27th, 2005, 12:28 am

Most folks who teach origami aren't professional teachers either.

And what therapeutic benefits?? This folding activity is seriously evil:

It's environmentally unfriendly. By sticking aluminium foil to tissue, you can't recycle the tissue anymore either. And often the more hard core folders start with pristine sheets of paper to fold - none of that office scrap for them!
It's horribly addictive. Folders start obsessing about what they can fold next, and soon they can't resist touching and creasing every flat sheet of material they come across.
It's an expensive addiction too - convention fees, magazines, books, etc will easily run up to a few hundred a year. And we haven't even started factoring in the cost of paper either.
Eventually there'll be a tendency to accumulate paper. The folder's place of living inevitably becomes a fire hazard. Folders staying in apartments can often expect visits from the fire department.
Folding miniatures and small details puts folders at risk of serious eye problems, or aggravate existing ones. Most folders do not use enough illumination.
The common folding posture involves being hunched over a table or the floor. Often, this unnatural posture is held for long hours at a time, leading to lower back pain.
Hard core folders eventually start experimenting with tissue foil, spraying copious quantities of adhesives all over, in an enclosed room (drafts make the tissue fly all over the place). Spray adhesives contain chemicals like toluene and xylene, both highly flammable and harmful if inhaled.
Unless the Significant Other is also a folder, the folder's obsessive activity will often be looked upon negatively, particularly when the paper starts wandering all over the house.
Paper cuts are a constant hazard. In tropical climates, such cuts often become infected and eventually gangrenous if left untreated, requiring amputation of the affected digit.

FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS FOLD!

Post by **origami_8** » June 27th, 2005, 12:46 am

Thank you Wolf!
I will think on your words on my next try to fold a crane from a 0,5mm paper, be sure I will dim the light and use tissue foil

Nesting Crane · Post by **Nesting Crane** » June 27th, 2005, 1:11 am

wolf,

Everything has its downside if you look for it.

Click on this link to view the advantages of origami in therapy.

http://www.geocities.com/paper_folding/p2.html

Also, click on this link to read testimonials of people who used origami to overcome personal problems in their lives or used it to help others.

http://www.geocities.com/paper_folding/p14.html