Perception of nonfolders over golden venture?

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Perception of nonfolders over golden venture?

Postby Gerardo » May 7th, 2016, 3:58 am

Hi,

I was talking recently with the organizer of a local folding challenge. Usually in that person's challenge, the models are shown publicly and the public gets to vote for the model they consider it should win. The organizer told me that most of the times there were golden venture models participating and that the public tended to vote for those over the rest. I was surprised to learn that. I didn't know nonfolders preferred that kind of models.

That's why I wanted to talk to you about that. Can you shed a little light regarding this? Do you believe this is true or not? And why?

Thanks :)
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Re: Perception of none folders over golden venture?

Postby roodborst » May 7th, 2016, 8:46 pm

If the guy who origanised it says it is so then it is true. Maybe the golden venture looks more impressive. Bigger more complex. While "real" origami can actually be more complex because of the square and no cuts rules.

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Re: Perception of none folders over golden venture?

Postby Gerardo » May 8th, 2016, 6:47 pm

Thanks roodborst.

I wanna get an idea, If I can, of how common this is. Does it happen everywhere? That's why I wanted to ask you guys if you had had experiences that backs or contradicts that tendency from nonfolders.
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Re: Perception of nonfolders over golden venture?

Postby chesscuber98 » May 11th, 2016, 3:15 pm

This is true. Golden venture tends to overshadow most other 'pure' origami work because they are large in size, colorful and eye catching.
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Re: Perception of nonfolders over golden venture?

Postby nornberg » May 11th, 2016, 9:21 pm

Besides being generally colorful (one piece origami has only two colors) and eye-catching, as chesscuber98 pointed out, I noticed another reason that general people choose golden venture over a one piece model: laypersons tend to deem golden venture more complex, and hence, they give more value to that work.

Recently, a well know tv show here in Brasil featured origami. My wife call me to see, and it was another exemple of choosing golden venture over "pure" origami - there were only golden venture models in the show.

That got me thinking about it and I even talked to some non-folders (a little research). I found that the layperson tend to believe modular origami as more complex, more difficult to construct.

And the reason is that the layperson is capable of assessing all the work involved: fold a thousand pieces (a lot of work, really) and carefully assemble everything into something recognizable.

Now for the complex origami made of only one square, no cuts, etc: I've shown some exemples to general people and most could not imagine the work behind that model (design and folding). At first glance, if not told (they're really layperson in origami), they first assume there's cutting and gluing involved and thus, it's easier to make. They even say: "hum, give a piece of paper -and scissors- and I think I can come up with something similar."

Then I show a bunch of photos, models from various complexity levels and ask: "can you do some of these?" Surprise: works like Joisel's or the well know Satoshi Kamiya's Ryujin are skipped, they're not even recognized as pieces of paper at all!

After a brief explanation (or after folding a intermediate model before them), people "get" the idea and glimpse the work involved. Show'em the Ryujin again, and they're blown away.

Of course, the size and colors may still be the main reason. But people value work of others, so if they -think- one model has more work invested, it may also contribute to their choice.
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Re: Perception of nonfolders over golden venture?

Postby Gerardo » May 13th, 2016, 3:16 pm

What do the rest think about the perception of nonfolders over golden venture vs. other forms of origami? Is there really a general preference? Is that problematic somehow?

I hope I can count with your answers ;).

nornberg wrote:...And the reason is that the layperson is capable of assessing all the work involved: fold a thousand pieces (a lot of work, really) and carefully assemble everything into something recognizable.
choice...


nornberg, WOW that was all very enlightening!

It reminded me of Eric Kenneway's entry for "art" in his book Complete Origami. He's very clear in that origami folds (the folded models) aren't art and that, if there is something of art in origami, it would be folding (the process). He explains that in art, the raw material and how its used must be clear to the observer: in a painting the colors are arranged in a particular manner and in a song notes (maybe also words) are also arranged in a particular sequence. As you explained, the problem with most forms of origami is that the raw material (shape and number of sheets?) and how they are used (folded, cut, glued?) isn't clear to the observers through the folded model per se. Golden venture doesn't have this problem: MANY pieces of paper - folded and connected together.

There's an underlying idea here, from nonfolders (maybe also some folders) that folds (folded models) must be hard to make in order to be of value... hmmm?
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