Looking for realistic Panther diagram

HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » April 13th, 2008, 5:48 pm

Oh oh, I think Joseph may be concerned that Quentin is stealing his design

. However, I've now been pulled over to the "delete whiskers" camp. I like the improvements, otherwise. But I prefer the darker paper.

Also, I really like the pose, reminds me of the border collie (and I really like that border collie, but still can't fold it correctly).

So, that's an idea. Take some pictures of the panther - it is your model, you can call it what you want

- in the same way that you did with the border collie a few years ago ...

Then use Photoshop to remove the whiskers !

- Hank Simon

Jonnycakes · Post by **Jonnycakes** » April 13th, 2008, 5:51 pm

I personally like the new whiskers better than the old ones (I think you should still consider nixing them, but that is your decision). But I just got an idea: if you do decide to get rid of the whiskers, perhaps you can turn them into more teeth? I imagine it might not work since all 4 whiskers are on the upper jaw and it would be weird having too many teeth on the upper jaw.

Joseph Wu · Post by **Joseph Wu** » April 13th, 2008, 6:08 pm

Oh, yes, Quentin is now on my blacklist.

Back to the panther, I also don't like the whiskers. They're too thick, and they come out of the top of the face rather than from the sides. But it's not just the whiskers. I find the head's length also contributes to the "rat" effect. Rounding out the head and shortening the snout might help.

merman · Post by **merman** » April 13th, 2008, 7:07 pm

the whiskers are so-so, but I definitely like the overall design a lot, especially the pose and the claws...

Quentin: could you please shed some light on the CP???

qtrollip · Post by **qtrollip** » April 13th, 2008, 8:17 pm

Well, the way I see it, is that if you dont try something new, what's the use. Some may not like the whiskers, but how many origami animals have actually been done with whiskers? Very few.
If I remove the whiskers, teeth and toes, then it will look like every other origami panther/mountain lion/call it what you will.
I like it and I"m not going to design one to be similar to existing ones!
I appreciate the positive criticism, but honestly, Origami_8 your post was just stupid!
Merman, CP, i dont really draw cp's, but will try get you one. I also owe you some diagrams for those great ones you sent me!!!

Adam · Post by **Adam** » April 13th, 2008, 8:22 pm

qtrollip wrote:Well, the way I see it, is that if you dont try something new, what's the use. Some may not like the whiskers, but how many origami animals have actually been done with whiskers? Very few.
If I remove the whiskers, teeth and toes, then it will look like every other origami panther/mountain lion/call it what you will.
I like it and I"m not going to design one to be similar to existing ones!

I like it too. The first version looked better, in my opinion, but they're both cool. And the most important thing should be that you make a model just the way you like it. So if you like the whiskers, then you should just keep them.

Keep up the excellent work, Qtrollip!

Post by **origami_8** » April 13th, 2008, 8:43 pm

Sorry Quentin I was just honest.
If you like the whiskers keep them but I think it would look better without. The second version sure was an improvement, it didn't look like a rat any more but really like a panther.

I do not say this to discourage you, I really like your work.
And hej, have you ever heard before of someone designing a panther that is just being attacked by a facehugger? If that's not something entirely new I don't know what else.

merman · Post by **merman** » April 13th, 2008, 8:44 pm

I was also just being honest. And to be honest: the whiskers don't bother me that much. I love the overall pose and claws... truly excellent design...

qtrollip · Post by **qtrollip** » April 13th, 2008, 8:50 pm

Origami_8 I appreciate your reply, no hard feelings!
Thank you also, Merman!

Jonnycakes · Post by **Jonnycakes** » April 13th, 2008, 9:48 pm

qtrollip wrote:Well, the way I see it, is that if you dont try something new, what's the use. Some may not like the whiskers, but how many origami animals have actually been done with whiskers? Very few.
If I remove the whiskers, teeth and toes, then it will look like every other origami panther/mountain lion/call it what you will.
I like it and I"m not going to design one to be similar to existing ones!

So true-innovations in origami are certainly valuable. And whiskers have definitely not been done before. The teeth, claws, and lower jaw are great details that add a lot to the piece, and you posed the panther perfectly. But innovating for the sake of innovating is not good. An innovation should add something and be new and good. Whiskers had not been done before because they are a minimal feature of a panther that is not very noticeable. Your panther is very detailed, however, and whiskers are the logical next step after a lower jaw, claws, and teeth. If they look good, do it-I think the whiskers on your second version are acceptable, but they could be better. Have you tried keeping them closer to the face?

Fishgoth · Post by **Fishgoth** » April 13th, 2008, 9:54 pm

I seem to recall a 'bobcat' in a Montroll book having whiskers. I think it was a Kawahata design.

Post by **origami_8** » April 13th, 2008, 9:54 pm

The Bobcat is in "North American Animals in Origami" and yes, it is by Fumiaki Kawahata.

There is also this mouse:
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~origami/e/mouse.html

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » April 14th, 2008, 7:28 am

I think the snout's too long. Also, I assume the whiskers are from the same border grafts that produce the claws. As I said before, with large super thin paper, it should work all right. Also, the problem is that they're too close to the face.

The other problem is still the camera angle. You need to take a picture from a level side view.

Kawahata has done whiskers a couple of times, most recently on his cat in a recent Tanteidan magazine.

qtrollip · Post by **qtrollip** » April 14th, 2008, 7:40 am

Jared, the whiskers actually come from the one raw corner.
What do you mean they are too close to the face, should they be closer to the snout?
And also, Roman Dias' excellent Cat has whiskers (more shaped than entities of their own)

origamimasterjared · Post by **origamimasterjared** » April 14th, 2008, 7:52 am

I don't know, they just look kind of weird pointed back towards the face. And the face is too long too. Remember, it's a cat, not a dog. You're almost there. Shorten the gap between the ears and eyes (and make eyes) and also the space between the eyes and the nose/whiskers.