Satoshi Kamiya - Ryu Zin (CP Study by zebu)
Posted: March 28th, 2008, 9:00 pm
Hey all,
Instead of starting a new post every time I have a break through in figuring out the mystery of Ryu Zin 3.5 by Satoshi Kamiya (SK), I will continue on this post from now on.
As popular as Ryu Zin 3.5 by SK is in this forum and much flaming discussion it caused, here are some ground rules I'd like to establish before I start posting.
1. I DO have CP of Ryu Zin 2.1.
It is LEGALLY purchased and digitally scanned by me (for study/personal use only). I will not (I repeat WILL NOT) share this so please stop PM me or e-mail me or stand by my door/ window late at night just waiting for me to respond (The door and the window part was a joke…. PM and E-mail part was not).
2. I DO NOT have CP of later versions of Ryu Zin (i.e. 3.1 and 3.5). Any partial CP that I may publish in my flickr account is either drawn by me and/or my close associates who are also studying Ryu Zin 3.5 (several of my “associates” are able to fold Ryu Zin 3.5 just from their own investigations and studies….I am also trying to accomplish that. Only without information being handed to me freely without any effort in my part… where is the fun in that?).
3. My ultimate goal is to document the processes it took me to fold (if ever)/study Ryu Zin 3.5 in systematic and methodical way. "CREDIBILITY" is everything, I will do my best to establish it, if there are questions, please ask me clearly, I will try my best to explain the process.
4. All the photos and instructions I may publish in my Flickr account will NOT violate any copy rights. Please give me the benefit of doubt in knowing what’s right and what’s wrong. Any (uninvited) comments regarding the Legality of files I posted on my Flickr WILL BE IGNORED with great pleasure.
NOW that’s all out of the way,…..
Let’s get to the fun stuff.
Here are ten pieces of information I complied, which will be my bases for folding Ryu-Zin 3.5 (Skip this part if you think you know all there is to know about the Ryu Zin 3.5)
1. It is back-open (open at the top), asymmetric model (I will post either photos and/or video explaining this)
2. Information on how to fold and shape the scales for Ryu Zin 3.5 can be found on this forum. (Here is the link viewtopic.php?t=3256&highlight=satoshi)
3. There is CP for Ryu Zin 2.1. It was once sold as part of JOS membership deal in 2002 (Calendar) However it is no longer in prints. I have personally contacted JOS for it. They told me there is no future plan on re-prints. Thus, only viable way to obtain it is illegally via internet/personal source (I WILL NOT MENTION HOW IT CAN BE DONE) or via luck like I did and obtain it from old book store, and/or garage sale. (This…is probably my weakest point on this post…. It is too shady, but this is best way I can state my point without “crossing” the line).
4. There is CP for Ryu Zin 3.5 Head only on this forum. (Here is the link viewtopic.php?t=558&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15)
5. Artur had mentioned in one of his post, that he is willing to provide some progressive photos (Not a diagram nor clear CP) of folding Ryu Zin 2.1 with 3.5 scale shaping on this forum (Here is the link viewtopic.php?p=23588&highlight=#23588). Thanks Artur, you are an inspiration to us all!!!
6. There is a YouTube video on Satoshi Kamiya’s top models. In that video, Ryu-Zin 3.5 is mentioned as his top model with some flash shots of him actually folding the thing (Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGQJVmfp ... re=related).
7. According to folks who successfully folded Ryu Zin 3.5, all started by doing partial studies of the CP. Some examples of individual parts studied were: a. Asymmetry (How this thing comes together), b. Head, c. Scales, d. Legs, f. Scales on legs, g. Head to body connections. Of course these are just some logical portion of CP that can be isolated to be studied. If you can just look at them and fold them like Artur or Anamerk, then more power to ya. I am going to do partial study first.
8. Two facts that I personally had to accept (also found most difficult to make peace with) are size of paper required to fold decent size finished model (for a standard where finished model would be about 30 - 40 inches long) and the time it will require to fold the model itself even if all is figured out (I estimate it will take me about 20 hours straight time even if I know exactly how to hold the entire thing…..based on my scale tests) Here are reference posts
viewtopic.php?t=3791
viewtopic.php?t=3839
9. The grid line for main body of Ryu Zin 2.1 is 80 x 80 units. The scale on the body requires 160 x 160 units (this is only base grids required to fold 2.1 not exactly the only folds necessary).
10. Finally, I came to realize that number of scales on Ryu Zin 2.1 and 3.5 are significantly different. See my comparison photo in my flickr account for detail (Here is the Link http://www.flickr.com/photos/8877661@N03/2368886288/).
In short, looking at it diagonally, Ryu Zin 2.1 had 3 – 4 (I counted mostly 3) rows of scales. However, in 3.5, it is 5 – 6 (mostly 5)….. This means more scales then I anticipated. Also, increased number of scales will throw off the paper usage for the Ryu Zin 3.5…. meaning just simply changing the shape of scales for 2.1, graft scales on the legs, and add dorsal scales to 2.1 will not make 3.5……. DAM# IT!!!!
It is like case of Phoenix 3.0 to 3.5… for those of you who made both phoenix 3.0 and 3.5 can agree with me that Phoenix 3.5 has significantly smaller “head to body” ratio compared 3.0. This happened when SK grafted a strip to the edge of paper to give extra flap for the extra claw in 3.5. That was caused by ONE extra flap!!! Now we are talking two or more to compensate for minimum two rows of extra scales added. The bad news is it will take more time to fold all those extra scales, and it possibly will require larger paper…. However, the good news is Ryu-Zin 3.5’s body is much wider from dorsal to abdominal direction, and it has added details on its head, such as teeth. You can see these details added on Ryu Zin 3.5 Head CP.
Thanks for reading this far for…. I’ll try to make my future posts much shorter.
Happy Folding.
zebu
Instead of starting a new post every time I have a break through in figuring out the mystery of Ryu Zin 3.5 by Satoshi Kamiya (SK), I will continue on this post from now on.
As popular as Ryu Zin 3.5 by SK is in this forum and much flaming discussion it caused, here are some ground rules I'd like to establish before I start posting.
1. I DO have CP of Ryu Zin 2.1.
It is LEGALLY purchased and digitally scanned by me (for study/personal use only). I will not (I repeat WILL NOT) share this so please stop PM me or e-mail me or stand by my door/ window late at night just waiting for me to respond (The door and the window part was a joke…. PM and E-mail part was not).
2. I DO NOT have CP of later versions of Ryu Zin (i.e. 3.1 and 3.5). Any partial CP that I may publish in my flickr account is either drawn by me and/or my close associates who are also studying Ryu Zin 3.5 (several of my “associates” are able to fold Ryu Zin 3.5 just from their own investigations and studies….I am also trying to accomplish that. Only without information being handed to me freely without any effort in my part… where is the fun in that?).
3. My ultimate goal is to document the processes it took me to fold (if ever)/study Ryu Zin 3.5 in systematic and methodical way. "CREDIBILITY" is everything, I will do my best to establish it, if there are questions, please ask me clearly, I will try my best to explain the process.
4. All the photos and instructions I may publish in my Flickr account will NOT violate any copy rights. Please give me the benefit of doubt in knowing what’s right and what’s wrong. Any (uninvited) comments regarding the Legality of files I posted on my Flickr WILL BE IGNORED with great pleasure.
NOW that’s all out of the way,…..
Let’s get to the fun stuff.
Here are ten pieces of information I complied, which will be my bases for folding Ryu-Zin 3.5 (Skip this part if you think you know all there is to know about the Ryu Zin 3.5)
1. It is back-open (open at the top), asymmetric model (I will post either photos and/or video explaining this)
2. Information on how to fold and shape the scales for Ryu Zin 3.5 can be found on this forum. (Here is the link viewtopic.php?t=3256&highlight=satoshi)
3. There is CP for Ryu Zin 2.1. It was once sold as part of JOS membership deal in 2002 (Calendar) However it is no longer in prints. I have personally contacted JOS for it. They told me there is no future plan on re-prints. Thus, only viable way to obtain it is illegally via internet/personal source (I WILL NOT MENTION HOW IT CAN BE DONE) or via luck like I did and obtain it from old book store, and/or garage sale. (This…is probably my weakest point on this post…. It is too shady, but this is best way I can state my point without “crossing” the line).
4. There is CP for Ryu Zin 3.5 Head only on this forum. (Here is the link viewtopic.php?t=558&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15)
5. Artur had mentioned in one of his post, that he is willing to provide some progressive photos (Not a diagram nor clear CP) of folding Ryu Zin 2.1 with 3.5 scale shaping on this forum (Here is the link viewtopic.php?p=23588&highlight=#23588). Thanks Artur, you are an inspiration to us all!!!
6. There is a YouTube video on Satoshi Kamiya’s top models. In that video, Ryu-Zin 3.5 is mentioned as his top model with some flash shots of him actually folding the thing (Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGQJVmfp ... re=related).
7. According to folks who successfully folded Ryu Zin 3.5, all started by doing partial studies of the CP. Some examples of individual parts studied were: a. Asymmetry (How this thing comes together), b. Head, c. Scales, d. Legs, f. Scales on legs, g. Head to body connections. Of course these are just some logical portion of CP that can be isolated to be studied. If you can just look at them and fold them like Artur or Anamerk, then more power to ya. I am going to do partial study first.
8. Two facts that I personally had to accept (also found most difficult to make peace with) are size of paper required to fold decent size finished model (for a standard where finished model would be about 30 - 40 inches long) and the time it will require to fold the model itself even if all is figured out (I estimate it will take me about 20 hours straight time even if I know exactly how to hold the entire thing…..based on my scale tests) Here are reference posts
viewtopic.php?t=3791
viewtopic.php?t=3839
9. The grid line for main body of Ryu Zin 2.1 is 80 x 80 units. The scale on the body requires 160 x 160 units (this is only base grids required to fold 2.1 not exactly the only folds necessary).
10. Finally, I came to realize that number of scales on Ryu Zin 2.1 and 3.5 are significantly different. See my comparison photo in my flickr account for detail (Here is the Link http://www.flickr.com/photos/8877661@N03/2368886288/).
In short, looking at it diagonally, Ryu Zin 2.1 had 3 – 4 (I counted mostly 3) rows of scales. However, in 3.5, it is 5 – 6 (mostly 5)….. This means more scales then I anticipated. Also, increased number of scales will throw off the paper usage for the Ryu Zin 3.5…. meaning just simply changing the shape of scales for 2.1, graft scales on the legs, and add dorsal scales to 2.1 will not make 3.5……. DAM# IT!!!!
It is like case of Phoenix 3.0 to 3.5… for those of you who made both phoenix 3.0 and 3.5 can agree with me that Phoenix 3.5 has significantly smaller “head to body” ratio compared 3.0. This happened when SK grafted a strip to the edge of paper to give extra flap for the extra claw in 3.5. That was caused by ONE extra flap!!! Now we are talking two or more to compensate for minimum two rows of extra scales added. The bad news is it will take more time to fold all those extra scales, and it possibly will require larger paper…. However, the good news is Ryu-Zin 3.5’s body is much wider from dorsal to abdominal direction, and it has added details on its head, such as teeth. You can see these details added on Ryu Zin 3.5 Head CP.
Thanks for reading this far for…. I’ll try to make my future posts much shorter.
Happy Folding.
zebu