Sheep Origami

[apocalogy]

Hello guys, this is such a wonderful forum
Although I am considered a noob by your standards I have had a lot of experience dealing with paper and am a perfectionist, so your directions won't go to waste with me.

I've discovered a sheep origami .pdf by an Andy Carpenter (http://dev.origami.com/images_pdf/sheep.pdf). Although there are some sheep that I've found that look more elegant than this one, this ought to do for my coming project.

The problem I'm having is that I cannot read the directions. I don't know when to flip the paper, whether the dark areas mean the paper is flipped, what the arrows mean, what some expressions like "rabbit ear the horn" and "crimp fold" and whether "front left side of model cut away" actually means that I should cut the left side.

In short, I don't get the diagram at all. I was wondering if anyone would care to describe the making in GREAT and BORING detail, or better yet, post a video. I would be in gratitude forever

[joshuaorigami]

Seen as your a beginner, you should first learn all of the origami symbols, and then fold something much simpler than that. Preferbly traditional models...

A simpler sheep you should take a look at is Roman Diaz's. It looks much better too. The diagrams can be found in the first edition of the 4 ESQUINAS magazine. The link to the blog is here: http://revista4esquinas.blogspot.com/

[apocalogy]

I couldn't agree more.. Unfortunately this is a project I'm working on that I cannot postpone and I don't have anyone who's an origami expert to advise or help me. All I have is this forum and you guys
As I said, I would appreciate it if someone gave me details or posted a video. I've always loved origami and I'll sure learn my symbols, but now I need to make this sheep. Can you help?

[joshuaorigami]

Please, just fold Roman Diaz's sheep! It's very very easy and looks so much better!

[origami_8]

I don't want to burst your bubble, but leading you through this model is a waste of time if you are not even willing to learn how to read the basic symbols of Origami.

[apocalogy]

@ joshuaorigami
Thanks a lot for your suggestion but I found a better model--Komatsu Hideo's sheep. Although the directions are in Japanese in the Tanteidan Magazine issue 105, I'll just keep trying and improvising until I get it right. I happen to like this even though my progress isn't as fast as I'd like it to be.
To all readers out there, if anyone wants the directions for the Hideo sheep, PM me (they are a whopping 11 pages).

@origami_8
"Burst your bubble"? "waste of time"? I never said I wasn't willing to learn the basics, I was just clarifying that I have no time to perfect ALL the rules and symbols of origami before making this particular one. No need to be nasty.
Btw I am researching it all on my own, so take a chill pill.

[NoahRatcl]

Whoa there, big guy. Don't call Anna nasty. You said yourself that you needed to fold it NOW and then you implied that you would prefer to learn the symbols later. Maybe that's not what you meant to say, but that's no need to call Anna nasty.

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@ NoahRatcl

I didn't call her nasty, I told her there was no need to be nasty, i.e BEHAVE nasty. I wasn't the one who was having an attitude problem. If you don't want to help me, don't post a reply in the first place. I got PMs from quite a few users who took time and effort to help me out, and I am grateful for all their kindness.

However when someone like your friend assumes incorrectly, then starts being offensive by basing herself on that incorrect assumption then I'm going to call that behavior nasty. I suggest you take a chill pill as well.

To all the others who PMed me with great instructions and resources, thanks a mil.

[FlareglooM]

if anyone wants the directions for the Hideo sheep, PM me (they are a whopping 11 pages).

Just to let you know, that would be illegal if you shared those.

[kareshi]

Seeing as you're a beginner, you should first learn all of the origami symbols, and then fold something much simpler than that. Preferably traditional models...

Josh, you're a very enthusiastic folder but I think you could stand to fold more simple models yourself.

[David]

I think after 4 posts you are the perfect position to be banned from the forum. (Anna?)

First you attack Anna one of the stalwarts of this forum.

Secondly you suggest to post copyrighted material, further endearing yourself to the many designers that produce books.

Thirdly what does experience with paper mean? Have you been commissioned for a paid gig, and are too vain to admit it is out of your league. After all everyone knows how simple Origami is, young kids are taught it !!!

As Anna said if you cannot understand or be bothered with the basic instructions or symbols, telling you anything is a waste of time.

[apocalogy]

Wow... And I thought origami was supposed to make people calm..
@ David
(Anna?) You think I really care if I'm going to be banned from this forum? Don't you think I can easily register another account and mask my IP? But I simply won't scoop to that level because it is not in my nature and because there are a lot of people I respect around here (of course you're not one of them). It would have been more fitting for you to keep the peace and clarify any misunderstandings rather than instigating a forum fight. Plus, it is none of your business to what ends I want this project for. I certainly won't be sharing anything like that with an internet troll like yourself.

As for the copyrighted materials, I wrote that I would send it to any enthusiast that would PM me. I didn't say that I would post them online for all to see, I am not distributing it for profit, I am not claiming it to be my own, I am not disacknowledging the efforts or intellectual property of the authors. But if anyone can convince me otherwise I won't post/send them to anyone.

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@ David

Oh and you wrote "After all everyone knows how simple Origami is, young kids are taught it !!!".. Maybe you are trying to be sarcastic, but sarcasm takes intelligence to be exhibited properly. So I will treat this phrase like you actually mean it and I'll say that it goes to show out how ignorant you are of origami. Origami can be one of the most complex things in the field of design. Read a little about origami mathematics and THEN tell me what you think.

[origami_8]

Usually we are very friendly and helpful on this Forum, but it depends on how things are said. If someone writes "I tried really hard but I just can't figure out how to go past step one" sure someone will provide help and lead him through this and the following steps (given it's such an easy model like this one with only 16 steps). But if someone comes and says "Hey, I'm a paper expert, but can't be bothered to learn the basics, make me a video how to do this model, 'cause I need to do it" then something like in this topic will happen. It's not what you say, but how you say it.

Insulting other members and acting against the Forum Rules (eg. sharing of copyrighted material) will lead you nowhere but - like David already stated - a ban from this Forum. I don't like to ban members so I really hope you rethink what you said and act accordingly in the future. Oh, and read the Forum Rules: viewtopic.php?t=279

Your comment about David's intelligence nearly made me ban you, just so you know. I wait for your apologize to him.

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@ origami_8
Go and read my first post again. I was courteous, I said that I knew that people who have been doing origami for years would consider me a noob. I said that I know a lot about paper because I've had years of experience with all types of it and how it's made (and handmade). That is what I meant by "I have had a lot of experience dealing with paper". I also like origami and am willing to learn it.

I also described what areas I was having difficulty with, and I gave examples of that. I said I needed help with the diagram. How you would help escapes me--you might explain the meaning of these specific things I've mentioned, you might post a video of the making, or you could describe the diagram and post links and online resources. I don't know how you can help, it's up to you.

Joshuaorigami tried to help me by directing me to a more basic model and telling me that I would have to learn origami from scratch. I told him that I couldn't agree more with him, that I appreciated his suggestion but I was more focused on sheep that looked more realistic than abstract and that I didn't have time to go through the learning process from scratch.

And then you come along assuming that I didn't want to learn and that helping me was a waste of time. On the other hand, other users who read my messages sent me links to the symbols and some articles and others did an exhaustive description of the model in question. I researched these resources and got to know a lot about it. It's not what you say, it's how you say it, right?

I also came across Hideo's sheep, and wanting to share this wonderful model, I offered to send it to anyone who PMed me, but instead got bombarded that I want to abuse the work of other designers.

You know Anna, I don't want to argue with you anymore.

To all the others, if anyone doesn't have anything positive to write, then don't post anything at all.

@ David, I apologize for insulting your intelligence but I won't apologize for anything else I've said to you or to anyone.

@ David