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How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 9th, 2011, 4:54 pm
by hobbestheprince
Besides using Dr. Lang's Reference Finder, is there another way of finding reference points? I have always been curious about the methods used.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 9th, 2011, 10:12 pm
by Brimstone
Reference Finder doesn't find reference points. You have to find the reference points and R.F. finds the method to get you there.
If your question is, "is there another way to find sequences to get to specific reference points", that's another thing, to which I might answer:
When you have a CP and you want to find a way to get to a specific point (or crease), fold all the usual halves, diagonals, thirds, quarters, 45 °, 30 °, etc, then take surrounding points (or creases) to any of those previous points. I don't know of any other way.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 10th, 2011, 3:37 am
by orislater
you can trace the cp onto tracing paper then fold around to find the references
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 4:57 pm
by hobbestheprince
In Joisel's book, I found it interesting that he used a ruler and "metallic point." Anyone know what a metallic point is? I'm not sure if it was a tool or scoring, or literally helping him with the fold.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 5:04 pm
by gachepapier
It's a small tool which he used to mark creases by tracing lines where they were expected - think ball-pen without ink. Paper folds naturally where you've pressed the fiber with such a tool, allowing for very precise folds...
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 6:27 pm
by hobbestheprince
Wow I'd like to get my hands on one of those! Are there any brand names or a different name for it? Googling "metallic point" didn't really help me.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 7:42 pm
by gachepapier
I use a wooden point, which is just as fine (except you have to sharpen it again once in a while), you can make it yourself or have a look at Nicolas's ultimate folding weapon

Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 7:53 pm
by hobbestheprince
That ultimate folding weapon looks interesting ... like a wooden feather. Do these tools work only on certain types of paper? You would think you could almost any object that has a point to do this. What about a toothpick? I do have a lot of pens without ink as well

Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 8:07 pm
by Brimstone
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 9:15 pm
by hobbestheprince
Ah, thank you Brimstone. I'll check out some local stores.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 11:15 pm
by hobbestheprince
Wait, aren't these tools just for cardstock? I figured they would cut through regular origami paper ...
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 15th, 2011, 2:18 am
by Brimstone
Look at the enlarged pictures, these things have a rounded tip and they shouldn't hurt the paper. Of course if you press too strongly, paper will be punched.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 15th, 2011, 12:31 pm
by hobbestheprince
Ah yes, I was looking at a different item. Too bad I couldn't just use an old ballpoint pen I have laying around. I'll have to fork over tbe dough

Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 16th, 2011, 4:51 pm
by hobbestheprince
Went and bought a tool yesterday, along with a nice metal ruler. Now I want to try to figure out how everyone here gets the ratio for models figured out. That way, I can cut my paper to the appropriate dimensions.
Re: How to locate reference points?
Posted: August 16th, 2011, 5:28 pm
by Brimstone
hobbestheprince wrote:Went and bought a tool yesterday, along with a nice metal ruler. Now I want to try to figure out how everyone here gets the ratio for models figured out. That way, I can cut my paper to the appropriate dimensions.
Good thing you bought it, you'll find it very useful.
Regarding the rest of your post, I didn't understand what you meant by ratio. Are you talking about a specific model? Is this ratio between the original side of the square and the extension of the finished model? Even so I don't understand your question.