of course they're free to discuss it--as free as i am to be derisive about it.Bubo wrote:Why not let them discuss it?
no. it is only a more complex frog.Although it depends on your meaning of improve I think it's demonstrably false that adding more scales, claws, teeth etc "doesn't improve [a] model at all". Is Lang's tree frog with toes not an improvement on the traditional frog?
no. it is only a more complex koi.Is not Lang's koi with scales not an improvement on his koi without scales?
the conclusion that you and many of these younger folders are implying, that more complex = improved, is in fact a demonstrably false one. and distressing for reasons i outlined in earlier posts. as andrey just proved in tanteidan 17, and with the dragon i linked, there is always someone who can add more detail with a grid that is large enough. this is admirable as a feat of engineering and design, but not always from an aesthetic one.If your trying to say that more scales, claws etc doesn't NECESSARILY improve a model you'd be correct - and it's hard to conceive of how Kamiya's Ryu Zin could be improved. To suggest that looking at how to add more detail, without compromising unduly aesthetics, should be abandoned is narrow minded IMO.
for instance, the kamiya styracosaurus 2.0 adds nothing to 1.0. he captured the essence of the model in 1.0 with its crown of horns. toes didn't really add anything aesthetically. to me, the lang kois are both the same aesthetically, but the "simpler" mabona koi is far more aesthetically pleasing. this is even easier to demonstrate with super complex butterflies, which are to a one, quite ugly compared to a lafosse butterfly. they are impressive as designs, but the ugliness derives from the bulk generated by creating the legs and antennae necessarily drawing the eye away from the butterfly's most interesting (and distinctive) feature--their delicate wings. the "simpler" lang buttery in OI2 looks quite a bit better than the the "complex" one in OI1, the latter of which, with its blocky wings and ultra thick body resembles something cybernetic instead of organic.
the thought process that is ongoing in the community, that more complex "makes for a tastier burger," is by far the smaller minded one, IMO, and causes great artists in our very midst (grizzly man, juston, just to name two) to be overlooked all the time.