Need a rose please

joejoe123 · Post by **joejoe123** » June 18th, 2008, 8:19 am

I was wondering if someone could send me a couple of the New Kawasaki Roses . Ive been trying forever to make it and i think the only way is to have one I can take apart and refold . I have watch them being made on you tube seen instuctions on a ton of site and for some reason im just not getting it . I will pay for shipping and the roses .

Please let me know
Joey

Ondrej.Cibulka · Post by **Ondrej.Cibulka** » June 18th, 2008, 10:26 am

Try to practice more. At first try this one:
http://www.origami.cz/Pdf/rosa.pdf
with very usefull help by this photohints:
http://new.origami.cz/index.php/N%C3%A1 ... %AF%C5%BEi
Then be careful during making base grid - it should be very precise.

Anyway, I am affraid, that A) it should be very hard to reverse ingeneer rose B) noone would like to spend so much time instead of you.

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » June 18th, 2008, 7:26 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Go-3r3wZA

What do you need help with specifically? Let me know I can post pics. Unfortunately the best videos on it are no longer online. They were by Sara Adams. Watch the above video links all the way through and then watch them a second time and fold along.

joejoe123 · Post by **joejoe123** » June 18th, 2008, 11:00 pm

I can do the crease pattern i just cant get it folded into the cylinder and the little arrow folds confuse me .

any help would be appriciated
Joey

joejoe123 · Post by **joejoe123** » June 18th, 2008, 11:47 pm

oh I forgot to say I can make the original one

Joey

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » June 19th, 2008, 12:10 am

joejoe123 wrote:I can do the crease pattern i just cant get it folded into the cylinder and the little arrow folds confuse me .

any help would be appriciated
Joey

Are you sure you've watched this video, because it explains both the cylinder and the arrows <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nquHxdpFFBI&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"></embed>

perrosaurio · Post by **perrosaurio** » June 19th, 2008, 12:10 am

Well, I've made a group of videos on youtube about the New Rose diagramed by Winson Chan, it's my own folding system and it's sligthly different from the diagram at the beggining, but the third one shows how to fold the cylinder, I hope it helps:

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2Hss1aDTGHs&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"></embed>
<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1E5iOLMVtCo&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"></embed>

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mr5DGe5iFZo&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"></embed>

regards

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » June 19th, 2008, 1:17 am

I'll post some pics when I get home. Basically the little arrows don't have to be folded in, I've done roses without them but they give the finished model the illusion of more petals, also that the petals aren't one swirl but broken up and individual. Kind of hard to explain. Have you made this rose, the traditional one? http://www.bloom4ever.com/HowToFold.htm

If not I recommend it (just click the link on the page). It has the same cylinder but on a different grid angle. What you are doing there is pulling the flaps created in the twist up so that the edges align and as you do this it forms the cylinder. Kinda hard to explain because you will be folding on a curve and the model will not lie flat.

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » June 19th, 2008, 6:25 am

Ok here goes. If any of these steps are unclear or need more explanation let me know. First let's make sure your paper is oriented correctly.

This should be the top side of your paper or colored side, whatever side you want showing when the rose is folded. You should have grid lines running at a downward slant from the top right corner. If you don't you have orientated the grid incorrectly and need to start over, or if you flip the paper over the grid is probable orientated correctly on that side and you'll have to make that your top side.

Here are all of your non grid precreases completed. If you are missing any of these creases then you should add them before proceeding. They will help you fold the model.

Flip the paper over and mountain fold along either the two markes horizontal line or the two vertical ones. Then sink in the square.

Paper folded along lines and square sunk. Now the other two grid lines coming from the points of the square need to be made into mountain fold and folded to the right unsing the grid line next to it. The marked line is mountain and grid line to the right will be valley. Repeat on backside.

Like so, but folded to the right not the left. I messed up in this picture and have it folded to the left.

Now we have made two flaps at the top. The fla on your left needs to be folded down towards you, the right hand flap folded down to the backside away from you. Once again you are folding on grid lines. Yes, I know my picture is still backwards, sorry, I did this in kind of a rush.

Last one that is backwards, I promise. Open the paper flat again, without undoing the folds you just made. Your folds should run counter clockwise (mine are going clockwise) or in other words they are all folded to the right. Flip back over to the top side.

Here we have a correct picture of what the top side should look like.

This is a side view. lift up one of the flaps and you are going to fold it over using the middle crease (the one highlighted in blue) so that the edge meets up with the edge of the other flap. Repeat this for the remaining three flaps. As you are doing this the model will begin to form a cylinder. You might have to stick your finger inside the bottom to situate some of the folds.

Here is the result of flap one

Top and Bottom view with all flaps done

Now pull the flaps out just a little bit so you can get to the arrows which will make crimps on the flaps.

The crimp is being formed. The top two folds are mountain the bottom two valley, Also note that the edge of the flap no longer lies on a grid line but on the crease that runs from the middle of the arrow to the end of the paper.

When you are finished fold flap back around the cylinder. Repeat for remaining three crimps.

Top when finished.

If you have gotten this far without incident let me know and I will proceed with instructions on locking the bottom and finishing the model.

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » June 19th, 2008, 6:37 am

P.S. Nice videos perosaurio, except I think the method is too hard for someone who hasn't successfully folded the model yet. But it will work nicely for me when I am folding display models

I hate all those extra creases.

joejoe123 · Post by **joejoe123** » June 20th, 2008, 4:51 am

you made it much clearer for me im ready for the rest now

Joey

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » June 20th, 2008, 7:13 pm

Ok here's the instructions for closing.

Flip the model upside down and push back the flaps to get one clear. Don't pull flaps away from cylinder but just push to the side a bit so you can see one flap clearly like shown in the picture.

Here's a closer look at the flap. We are going to be doing a reverse fold. The flap is going to be folded back via the blue valley fold line that you see. There is a mountain fold on the red marked grid line which is three squares (like 2 1/2 actually...) to the right. I pinch on the mountain fold then pull the flap down.

Here is one flap done. Repeat remaining three flaps moving in a counter clockwise direction.

All four flaps done. Now we are going to perform an inside reverse fold on the edge of the flap.

Make a valley fold on the blue line (its the one that is farthest in and comes from the point of the inner triangle) this will swing the flap up at the end.

Here is the flap up. Now the point denoted by the red dot needs to be pushed up which will swing the end of the flap down so it lies around the cylinder.

In the process of pushing the point up....

Done. Try to straighten this out so it lies nice and flat. The corner you pushed up should fit neatly over another corner of a flap which lies beneath it. Repeat on remaining three flaps.

All flaps done. Note it does form a nice square on the bottom. You might have to shift the flaps around a bit to do this but it should look like a square.

And here's a top view. Last step is to pull out the middle and curl the petals.

To pull out middle gently pull up on the denoted areas one at a time. This will unfurl the middle area.

And here we have the completed rose. Isn't it pretty?

I didn't spend a whole lot of time on shaping but you get the idea.

Hope that helped you, and anyone else who needed it

eaglehorn · Post by **eaglehorn** » June 24th, 2008, 9:52 am

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » June 25th, 2008, 7:42 pm

Isn't that a pretty little stand? I love it. Don't know who it is by but there's a video on youtube for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BImy82oxGk

That's how I learned to fold it. It's quite simple the only downside is that it is kind of flimsy. Mine sits on my desk and never moves so it works but the tip isn't locked into the rose its just stuck in there propping it up. Anytime I move the model the rose falls off.

eaglehorn · Post by **eaglehorn** » June 25th, 2008, 8:02 pm