Origami Malboro

HankSimon · Post by **HankSimon** » November 28th, 2008, 9:49 pm

How about sending him (Kamiya Satoshi) another email and ask him if we (The Forum) could attempt a reverse engineer on the picture of his model ?

It might be an excellent learning exercise in Origami Design....

Or an interesting ... Challenge ... after go-ahead.

- Hank Simon

Jank · Post by **Jank** » November 28th, 2008, 9:53 pm

okay
it's been sent
so what does reverse engineer mean and how do you do that from the picture?
thanks for everyones' help so far
keep it up

I'll let you know when I get the reply!

JeossMayhem · Post by **JeossMayhem** » November 28th, 2008, 11:46 pm

Reverse-engineering, with origami anyway, usually means studying a couple references photos and then trying to recreate the same thing. Since there's no diagram or CP, reverse-engineering is pretty much the only option. Basically, if you're experienced enough, you can make pretty good predictions as to how the model was designed. Then after a bit of guess-and-check work you should come up with something pretty close to your references, theoretically.
I reverse engineered Kade's magic ball without his CP, which wasn't too hard considering all you needed to figure out was the grid size and how to make your tesselation. But with his photos and his video, it made figuring out how to fold his design fairly obvious. If all we have is that one photograph on the bottom of that page, I'm going to say reverse-engineering the Malboro is going to be MUCH harder!

Jonnycakes · Post by **Jonnycakes** » November 29th, 2008, 1:51 am

Yes-and don't wait for Kamiya's permission. You don't need permission to reverse-engineer something, especially if the author doesn't even have it anymore. It probably won't be the exact same thing anyway. Go for it!

Jank · Post by **Jank** » November 29th, 2008, 7:30 am

let me know what you guys get

Jank · Post by **Jank** » December 2nd, 2008, 1:26 am

i know how to do the eyes tentacles and mouth but i don't know how to put it together

Jank · Post by **Jank** » December 3rd, 2008, 3:09 am

here's what I got so far
in http://www.flickr.com/photos/30451490@N05/3078999542/

ftangdude55 · Post by **ftangdude55** » December 3rd, 2008, 3:47 am

Wow! Very nice job, Jank. I seriously doubt that I could manage to actually come up with a good base for it. You should post a picture of what you have so far (an actual model picture, not just a tiny diagram

)

ahudson · Post by **ahudson** » December 3rd, 2008, 7:03 am

Reverse-engineering isn't actually so simple in terms of legality... Technically, the model is a "derivative work", so if the original model is copyrighted (which it is) then reverse engineering is illegal.

There is a loophole... if you can find a photo that has been released under a creative commons license, then it's legal. Otherwise you should ask the creator.

However, with the work of getting permission added on top of the difficulties of reverse-engineering in the first place, it's probably a better use of your time to design your own model. Not to rain on the party or anything

Post by **origami_8** » December 3rd, 2008, 11:54 am

That's exaggerated.
Reverse Engineering is allowed, you are just not allowed to sell your work without permission.
It is as if I would try to paint the Mona Lisa after the prominent picture. I am allowed to paint it and I am allowed to show it to others as long as I don't claim it would be the original but give proper credit. But I'm not allowed to sell it without permission. The same is true for Origami models.
This is becoming really annoying lately, next time you want to forbid us to fold at all because we could eventually recreate something someone has come up with before. Then again, following your above definition folding from diagrams has to be illegal as well if it isn't particularly stated on the diagrams that you are allowed to do so, because it would be a derivative work too.

ahudson · Post by **ahudson** » December 4th, 2008, 7:03 am

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound so prohibitive! I just want to remind people to be careful. Some big arguments have happened over copyright technicalities, and one model really isn't worth getting in a fight over.

Joseph Wu told me I should ask the creator before reverse-engineering things, after I reverse-engineered those Hojyo Takashi models. I was wondering about the ethics of reverse-engineering, and so I asked him. It seems I've mixed up J. Wu's ethics with actual law. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have made that mistake.

Thank you for the analogy Anna, I think you're right. Sorry everybody. On the bright side, I'll be doing more reverse-engineering now that I know it's legal.

Jank · Post by **Jank** » December 8th, 2008, 2:28 am

okay if I could get anyone to make this http://www.flickr.com/photos/30451490@N ... otostream/ then I'll show you the results it is simple but for some reason I can't figure it out.

Jonnycakes · Post by **Jonnycakes** » December 8th, 2008, 6:53 am

Whatever design you decide on, it will probably be very difficult to fold. Try this:

Jank · Post by **Jank** » December 9th, 2008, 1:28 am

thanks man, i'll post the malboro pic as soon as i fold it!

Oh yeah if you want even a little chance of kamiya satoshi showing the diagrams for malboro then please vote now. although on the vote thing on his site the name is moruboru.

Jank · Post by **Jank** » July 30th, 2009, 7:38 pm

sorry guys the cp didn't work
i tryed it different ways but nothing
i need to get a camera the other one broke
back to the drawing board for me